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Wednesday, June 24, 2015

The black reaction to Charleston

While all the white liberals have been going ballistic bewailing -- or, depending on your viewpoint, crowing about --  Dylann Roof's rampage, the black reaction has been remarkably muted and gracious.

Some of the relatives of the victims at the Emanuel African Methodist Church actually forgave Roof. Or, at least, they pretended to -- which, for all practical purposes, is just as good. Either way, they certainly showed more equanimity than I would have in those circumstances.

And, it must be noted, there hasn't been any rioting since then either, just as there wasn't any rioting after the killing of Walter Scott by North Charleston police officer Michael Slager.

Even Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have been mercifully absent.

It does seem that on those rare occasions when whites commit undeniably unjustified violence against blacks, and they are immediately arrested and condemned by other whites, there is rarely a black outcry.

It's when blacks think a white is getting away with murder that they riot. And even in those cases, it hasn't always been entirely their fault: the media would often draw a premature portrait of white guilt (as in the Michael Brown shooting) where there wasn't any. And Obama, Holder, Sharpton, and Jackson would subtly egg the mob on by invoking racism, police brutality, and so on -- while nominally calling for restraint.

Anyway, the black reaction to Roof has been admirable, and duly noted.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yes, I am awed by the peoples' response. They're practicing what the Bible tells us to do, putting Jesus' teachings into action. I am learning from them, how to respond when really bad things happen.

-birdie

John Craig said...

Birdie --
I'm not religious, so tend not so see things in those terms, but some of those relatives have certainly been practicing what they've been preaching. It's admirable.

Anonymous said...

John--I agree that it's refreshing that the black community is handling this with dignity. That being said, all I seem to ever hear from blacks is the constant mantra of "let's have a conversation about racism". What's the "conversation" supposed to be about? All the laws have been changed making it illegal to discriminate against them. What else is there to be done? Reparations? Oi vey. Brian

John Craig said...

Brian --
The thing that's so bothersome about all those calls for a "national dialogue on race" from people like Bill Clinton and Eric Holder is that the "dialogue" they envision is so one-sided. Truet me, they don't intent to talk about the Nation of Islam, or the Five Percenters, or the knockout game, or the injustices of affirmative action, or the skewed rates of interracial rape and murder. They only want to talk about how our "racist" society prevents blacks from doing as well as whites, or "micro aggressions," or any of the other favored items in their narrative.

Steven said...

Good article.

They riot when they feel a sense of injustice. Even when we thought it wasn't justified in particular cases, they still had that feeling. And you're right, the media and professional agitators played no small part. Also, I think they air on the side of mistrusting the police, so when the case is ambiguous, they might just feel that the policeman probably was in the wrong.

The admirably sincere Christian response of the families has denied Roof his goal, which was to make race relations worse. I guess sometimes forgiveness does have the power to heal.

There was a similar case here in Liverpool some years ago in which a black boy was killed with an axe and the mother professed forgiveness in that case.

John Craig said...

Steven --
Thank you.

Well, sometimes they riot and loot just out of a sense of opportunism. I can think of a couple of riots that were sparked by power outages and there was Hurricane Katrina, which was used as such an opportunity.

Yes, in a weird sort of way this incident has helped race relations. Everybody was unanimous in condemning Roof.

Steven said...

re the skewed rates of interracial murder, are we talking about the black-white murder rate being higher than vice versa, or a higher percentage of black homicides being against whites than vice versa?

I guess it would be both as black people have higher murder rates than white people overall. However, I'm sure the black on black rate is significantly higher than the black on white rate, as most black people who kill, kill other black people. As for the percentages:

If you have 1,000,000 white people and 100,000 black people (who are not grouped together but evenly distributed throughout the city ie totally mixed in), and 2% of each (20,000 whites and 2,000 blacks) kills 5 people indiscriminately, regardless of race, the white people will kill mostly white people and the black people will kill mostly white people. Obviously in reality, blacks are grouped together and people don't kill indiscriminately, but could this principle still explain the disparate percentages of white and black murderers having other race victims? The fact is that as a minority, almost all of them live near quite a lot of white people which is not the case for all white people.

Perhaps you could to clarify this.

Mark Caplan said...

Dylann Roof's sole objective in murdering nine church goers was to foment a race war. I imagine blacks didn't want to hand Roof a smashing success.

John Craig said...

Steven --
Looks like you answered your own first question (correctly) there. As far as your second question, I'm not sure the extent to which population distribution affects the interracial murder rates, obviously it must have some effect but I've never seen any sort of statistics breaking it down. Another influence is, some of these murders occur in the course of a robbery, and whites tend to have more money than blacks, so that affects it too.

Surprisingly the rate of interracial murder is actually relatively low. I looked it up once, and I don't have the numbers at my fingertips, but I was surprised how low it was. However, murder is only one of the four major categories of violent crime, the others being rape, armed robbery, and assault and battery. For these other categories, the interracial statistics are much higher, with black-on-white crimes far outnumbering white-on-black. I think I read one time that any given black person is 37 times more likely to commit a crime of violence against awhile than the other way around.

John Craig said...

Mark --
I give them a little more credit than that; I think this particular group was just being forgiving.

Steven said...

When it comes to murder and assault and battery, I bet most of that difference is accounted for by much higher black violent crime rates generally and population distribution.

Robbery and rape might be a different story. But the reasons for that would be to do with money and sexual desire, rather than racial hatred.

John Craig said...

Steven --
All of those things are influenced by the factors you mention, but when it comes to interracial crime, I'm sure that racial animosity and resentment often plays a role as well. Many of those crimes have more than one motivating factor.

Steven said...

Okay, maybe so.

High Arka said...

Good point, John. Your comment on the reaction shows how situations like the 2015 Baltimore riots are not an intrinsic African American reaction, but rather, a behavior that can be produced by corporate media when desired. The right combination of propaganda could probably cause other ethnic groups to behave with similar egregiousness--after all, look how easy it was to get white people to suddenly care about Robin Williams or Princess Di.

Remnant said...

True, and very magnanimous post, John.

Mark Caplan said...

This particular group might be forgiving, but those blacks directly affected by an actual or imaginary wrong often aren't the same ones who seek revenge by rioting and attacking whites and Asians. The "L.A. Four" who attacked the white construction worker on camera and several others off camera during the L.A. riots had no connection to Rodney King other than skin color.

John Craig said...

High Arka --
Thanks. I do think blacks, being less inhibited, are by nature more prone to rioting; but in the recent past they've certainly been encouraged to engage in "civil unrest" by leftist leaders in both the media and the government.

Yes, Robin Williams and Princess Di, two perfect examples of how we're manipulated by the media

John Craig said...

Remnant --
Thank you.

John Craig said...

Mark --
There's no question about that. With the LA Four, and all those kids playing the knockout game, and plenty of criminals engaged in what appears to be run of the mill crime, there's often a strong racial element involved that both the media and, surprisingly, the police, ignore. And whenever there is a highly publicized instance of white on black violence, yes, there are often blacks on the prowl looking of ra generalized racial "revenge."

Bantu Education said...

Blacks don't take revenge on other whites when a white perp is quickly arrested..? I'm surprised and disappointed at your naivety and wishful thinking....

John Craig said...

Bantu Education --
You could say that the ongoing black-on-white crime rate is generalized "revenge" for whatever, and I wouldn't argue. But the specific black reaction in Charleston was gracious and markedly lacking in calls for "civil unrest." For someone like me who usually points out the hypocrisy in media coverage of such events, when something like this happens, I should point that out as well.

And actually, when you look at most of the recent riots -- Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. -- they were caused by the media and various black leaders making the case for white guilt where there actually wasn't any. It's surprising in a way, but when there was white guilt, as with Slager, there was a noticeable lack of reaction.