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Sunday, January 31, 2016

A cross country runner??

A Virginia Tech freshman was charged yesterday with the murder of a 13-year-old girl. Something about the article left me feeling disquieted, and I wasn't sure why at first.

It wasn't because the accused killer was white; there are plenty of white murderers. It was a little surprising that he went to a good school like Virginia Tech; smart kids generally do a better job of staying out of trouble.

Then it hit me: I was shocked because David Eisenhauer was a star cross country runner. You almost never hear of cross country runners getting into trouble like that.


(David Eisenhauer)

Hearing about football or basketball players running afoul of the law is practically an every day occurrence. Maybe there's a racial component there, but even with sports like hockey or golf or car racing, you hear about a fair amount of misbehavior.

Cross country is different. It's a sport that demands intense discipline, a clean lifestyle, and enduring a fair amount of physical pain, all of which tend to attract more introverted personalities.

At the (mostly white) high school in my hometown, the girl's soccer team was known as a "fast" crowd. Ditto for the basketball team. The cross country team was generally composed of "good girls," who studied hard and didn't party as much.

The same applied to the boys' teams, with football substituting for soccer.

And I've heard those same correlations apply at other high schools as well.

So to read about a 4:19 miler (the best time listed for Eisenhauer online) being charged with murder was a shock.

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yes, it is startling to learn about these supposedly smart, clean-cut types turning out to be murderers. On occasion, I have thought about my childrens' public schools, that there are sociopaths in the mix within the various schools (which can be unsettling to consider). In adulthood, the sociopaths should become more apparent to others (especially if you know the symptoms of the awful disorder).

-birdie

Anonymous said...

A second Virginia Tech student, Natalie Marie Keepers, has been arrested in connection to the case of the 13 year old girl's abduction and murder. I saw the news via another website.

-birdie

John Craig said...

Birdie --
Yes, it is startling. But there are sociopaths everywhere, from all sectors of society, all ethnicities, and both genders. And they're approximately 3% of the population, although most of the sociopaths one meets one never gets to know well enough to identify.

Hadn't heard that about Keepers, interesting. I guess the case is still in the early stages, so one or both of them could turn out to be innocent.

whorefinder said...

It's weird because cross-country running isn't a "glamor" sport anywhere. So, not being glamorous, it doesn't attract sociopaths.

Athletic Sociopaths are drawn to the big name sports that get the most attention and praise. In most schools, those are football and basketball. In schools in the North/Canada, hockey is a glamor sport. In the midwest, wrestling is a glamor sport.

The guys who play school glamor sports well get loads of attention, breaks in grading, the best female groupies, and basically have their sociopathic world view stoked. Even non-sociopaths in the glamor sports get their sociopathic genes turned up from the adulation----you sometimes hear such players talk about "I was getting a big head" or "that kind of nonsense really can mess with your head" and other tells that they felt their non-sociopathic personalities being mutated into more sociopathy.

We can see this behavior to the extreme in the NFL and NBA, whose celebrations are silly over-the-top sociopathic displays, especially for minor plays (e.g. a slam dunk in a meaningless midseason game, a QB sack during garbage time).

Cross-country running, however, doesn't put butts into stadium seats and doesn't get the pretty cheerleader. So most athletic sociopaths avoid it. I remember only one cross country runner who acted sociopathically---Steve Prefontaine---who had two movies made about his prima donna behavior. But his behavior stood out because of the lack of other prima donnas around in his sport; in the NFL/NBA, his behavior wouldn't have been out of place.

Sociopaths like activities that are high on glamor. It's why the drama clubs in schools are also filled with them, but the math club or debate team rarely are.

Anonymous said...

I meant, Natalie M. Keepers. Don't know how I came up with Marie. Apparently, the young woman helped dispose of the body. Crime really doesn't pay in the end. Your energy becomes darkened, moving toward the dark side. Not worth it.

-birdie

John Craig said...

Whorefinder --
That's a really good observation. And it not only applies to sports, but to all of life. Sociopaths are attracted to money, power, and glamor, and will do anything to gain those things. (We're all attracted to them, but most of us have limits as to what we're willing to do.) That's why the three of the biggest nexuses of sociopathy in tho country are Wall Street, Washington DC, and Hollywood.

As far as sports, sociopaths are far more likely to dope, then lie about their doping in a particularly self-righteous manner. (Think Lance Armstrong.)

Hmm, never thought about Prefontaine as a sociopath, but he was a prima donna, no doubt about that. I remember a quote of his, something like, "I'm an artist, and I want people to appreciate the way I run" -- or words to that effect. I remember being put off by that at the time, but if I had to guess I'd say he was just a run of the mill narcissist rather than a sociopath. But I really don't know enough about him to say.

I think a lot of those end zone celebrations are more a matter of blackness than sociopathy. Yes, those celebrations are uninhibitedly exuberant and egotistical, but sociopathic? Nah. Some of them might be, but certainly not all.

John Craig said...

Birdie --
Yes, just read an article about her. It'll be interesting to find out what really happened there.

whorefinder said...

@JohnCraig:

Out of all the races, sociopathy is the most prevalent in blacks and Eskimos. This is also why blacks make up such a large portion of the criminal class---they literally think they are too good and too wonderful for the rules to apply to them.

Unfortunately (for blacks), their low IQs prevent them from getting away with most crimes. Contrast that to Eskimos, whose high IQs allow them to get away with crimes a lot (think Madoff getting away with blatant pyramid scheming for 30 years).

How many black NFl players get caught in the offseason in violent altercations? The explanation is sociopathy---they believe they can do whatever they want. They are millionaires with fame, and yet they feel that any slight requires them to violently attack someone and expect no repercussions. Their end zones celebrations are part of this.

NFL "Blackness" is really synonymous with sociopathy. Look at what Cris Carter--a retired black football player---told the NFL rookies: not "don't get in trouble" but instead "get a fall guy" when you do something evil. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/cris-carter-told-nfl-rookies-to-get-a-fall-guy-in-case-they-get-in-trouble

Carter is an intelligent, successful black male (he's a good commentator on NFL action, never had major discipline issues, and isn't some broke former player). Yet he didn't appeal to their sense of morality: his advice was "laws are for little people" and "frame somebody else for your own crime." Carter was exhibiting textbook sociopathy and encouraging other blacks to follow suit. Not "take responsibility" but "blame someone else." And they all laughed and cheered (if you watch the video of it).

I'm also reminded of Leon Lett, a former Cowboys lineman, who got caught with pounds of marijuna in his car as he openly admitted he was trying to become a drug dealer. Or Michael Irvin, who literally got caught with a crack pipe in his car. Or Warren Sapp, who got busted trying to negotiate the price with a hooker---a millionaire who felt entitled to cheaper illegal goods!

NFL Blackness=sociopathy.

Anonymous said...

I looked up info. about Steve Prefontaine, as I'd never heard of him. Interesting guy. Apparently, he was a contemporary of Jim Ryun, another famous runner.

-birdie

John Craig said...

Whorefinder --
I've read in books on sociopathy that it's more common in the more feral areas of the inner city, which is no surprise, and it also fits with my observations and with the high rate of criminality you find in that community. But sociopathy usually encompasses a whole host of traits, not just an uninhibited egotism and criminality (though those are a big part of it). I'm sure some of these athletes are sociopaths, but with some of the NFL players, the picture is a little more complicated. They have obscene disposable incomes, low IQ's, a certain learned narcissism, and a lot of male hormones, all of which would spell trouble even without sociopathy. They generally don't become pathological liars and pretend to be something they're not, and they generally don't put up a big front of false emotionality, and both of those traits often characterize sociopaths as well. I know, it sounds like I'm drawing a fine line, and maybe I am, but Im often asked if so-and-so is a sociopath, and I sometimes end up answering, "Nah….he's just black." A good example of what we're talking about would be Mike Tyson, and I went into his character in detail here:

http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2009/10/mike-tyson.html

Tyson is at some levels a barnyard animal, but there's a difference between a barnyard animal and someone who is truly, despicably, dishonestly evil. Tyson is not the latter.

John Craig said...

Birdie --
Ryun hit his peak a little earlier than Prefontaine, back in the late 60's, though he was still running in the early 70's when Pre came along. Also, Ryun was the greater runner, having set two world records in the mile.

Anonymous said...

I've come across many women possessing "a certain learned narcissism," being bossy, overbearing, annoying, rude, etc., people you want to avoid.

-birdie

Anonymous said...

When I looked up info. about Prefontaine, Ryun's name was mentioned in the Wiki article. Long, long ago (ages ago, in childhood), I met Jim Ryun.

-birdie

John Craig said...

Birdie --
I read "The Jim Ryun Story" three times when I was 13.

Anonymous said...

I haven't thought about him in years. My parents knew his wife's parents. I met him due to them.

-birdie

Lucian Lafayette said...

John,
Part of it may simply be statistics. While some sports demand self control, endurance, etc. the probability of those sports having NO persons with violent proclivities while low, is not zero. It has to happen once in a great while.

Luke

John Craig said...

Luke --
Very true. No group of people which numbers in the hundreds of thousands can possibly have an absolutely pristine record.

Mark Caplan said...

Replying to Whorefinder - Madoff preyed mainly on his fellow Jews. One reason he was able to get away with his pyramid scheme for decades was that Jews tend to trust other Jews. If sociopathology were a Jewish trait, I don't think that tendency for Jews to trust one another would be so prevalent or deeply ingrained.

Runner Katy said...

I would think it very uncommon for a distance runner or currently ranked runner to be a sociopath or killer, I completely agree with you. I wonder if he may have been caught up in Natalie Keepers, who may be the real sociopath here? I know I'm super biased here, but running as much and as hard as he would have been, basically would kill off (pun intended) any ill feelings not only toward the little girl but any other struggles he's dealing with. That's why you see so many people of poor upbringings doing well in cross country and track. It's a sort of mental cleansing.

John Craig said...

Runner Katy --
Yes, that's another aspect of it. Distance runners who train hard simply don't have the energy left over to get into trouble, even if they would otherwise be inclined that way. And yes, all those all out efforts have a cathartic effect, in a way. I always feel relaxed and at peace after a hard swim. Not that I'd be out there killing little girls otherwise.

But, as Luke pointed out above, in any large group there will always be misfits.

MotownVoice said...

What moron wrote this crap?

If you could fit one more racial generalization or paranoid stereotype in this wad of tripe I suspect you would have.

John Craig said...

Motown --
As we all know, stereotypes have absolutely no basis in fact.

whorefinder said...

@Mark Caplan:

The long history of sociopathy by Eskimos is documented pretty well. Thousands of diverse Europeans, North Africans, and Middle Eastern people independently noted for centuries how much of Eskimo behavior was predatory in nature towards native peoples, and the resulting hatred it engendered by the natives towards Eskimos. That doesn't condemn all Eskimos to being sociopaths, but is pretty strong evidence that sociopathy is stronger/more prevalent in Eskimos than most non-Eskimos.

And, as people have also noted for thousands of years, the Eskimo community encourages the sociopathy of Eskimos to be turned on non-Eskimos and largely forbids it against other Eskimos. Much like an army would take a large, violent thug and encourage him to turn his violence against opponents of the government, thus saving the local populace from his thuggishness and actually defending the populace in the process. It is a realpolitik way of dealing with an innate flaw, one that has resulted in a lot of powerful and rich Eskimos in history. So long as there was goyim around to exploit, the Eskimos wouldn't turn on each other.

But sometimes there aren't enough goyim around. Henry Kissenger (an Eskimo himself) once said (I'm paraphrasing here) that he believed the only reason Israelis was so quarrelsome with others in foreign policy was to prevent Israel itself from having a civil war. And, if any of the biblical history is true, Eskimos were constantly selling out their own countrymen to foreign powers (Judah and Israel, who took turns betraying each other to Assyria, Egypt, etc.). As Madoff proved as well, Eskimos will betray other Eskimos if there simply aren't enough non-Eskimos for them to exploit; Madoff's scheme as based on his personal connections and depended on him having larger and larger investments to him in order to pay off older investors, and such wealth in NYC was largely found with Eskimos.

Sociopaths have two innate beliefs that end up hurting the sociopath: (1) the group will always protect me, and is made up of stupid, manipulable fools lower than me; and (2) I can turn on the group anytime it is convenient for me, and I am smart and wonderful enough to get away with it.

The sociopath's beliefs lead to his downfall in one of two ways.

First, the group gets wise to his nature, and then they will expel him, making a mess of his plans to exploit them ---hence the constant expulsion of Eskimos throughout history, partially driven by a native populace sick of being exploited and angry their forgiveness previously had been abused. But another way a sociopaths plans can fail is if the group has other sociopaths in it already. They well betray him as readily as he betrays them, and may be smarter than him, and feel no compulsion to keep him around. Hence why Eskimo communities have striven to place into Eskimos the belief that non-Eskimos should be exploited above Eskimos, thus making sociopaths among the Eskimos less likely to betray one another, at least for a while.

Mark Caplan said...

I don't subscribe to the view that Eskimos in general prey on or try to exploit non-Eskimos beyond the normal and accepted depredations of free-market capitalism, but let's say for the sake of argument it's true. That's not sociopathy. That's normal human group behavior. Muslims want to convert and conquer the world, not because Muslims are all sociopaths but because that's what normal human social groups do. Psychologically healthy people want their group to succeed and want competing groups to, if not fail, at least not gain to the detriment of one's own group.

whorefinder said...

@MarkCaplan:

I don't subscribe to the view that Eskimos in general prey on or try to exploit non-Eskimos beyond the normal and accepted depredations of free-market capitalism, but let's say for the sake of argument it's true. That's not sociopathy. That's normal human group behavior. Muslims want to convert and conquer the world, not because Muslims are all sociopaths but because that's what normal human social groups do. Psychologically healthy people want their group to succeed and want competing groups to, if not fail, at least not gain to the detriment of one's own group.

The flaw in your argument is that Eskimos don't seek to convert or to integrate, but instead to exploit.

Conversion:
Muslims seek to convert others to Islam, thus making everyone equally part of the Muslim society. Christianity did the same: it seeks to convert all people to the religion, and if they do they will all be equal.

Eskimos don't recruit, and because their religion is built on racial grounds, anyone who does convert to it is treated second class. There are no "evangelical" Eskimos; the most Eskimo religious leaders try to do is bring people of Eskimo blood back to the religion.

Integration
When Muslims are in non-Muslim lands, or Christians are in non-Christian lands, they seek one of four things: to convert the locals to Christianity/Islam; move to a Christian/Islamic land; convert themselves to the local religion; or expel the recalcitrant unbelievers and make the land Christian/Islamic. In other words, there is no exploitation sought, merely an integration of society into a homogeneous people.

Eskimos, however, refuse to convert others, refuse to convert themselves, but do not attempt to expel non-Eskimos, seeking merely to profit off them. The Eskimos have long prefered to dwell as "a people apart" within a society, never integrating into it, but merely using it as a cash cow.

With the introduction of Israel in 1948, it started intercine Eskimo fights that hadn't been seen since the Romans expelled the Eskimos from their homeland. This is why Kissinger noted their foreign policy made no sense unless you noted their own tendency to eat their own when no one else was around.

And if you really think the complains of thousands of people over the centuries about Eskimo usury, monopolistic practices, ethnic closure, insulting behavior, and cruel money collecting---well, if you think such complaints can't be taken seriously because of "racism" or some other verboten Crimethink, then you have, effectively, rendered the opinions of gentiles second-class to Eskimos, which is merely projection on your part. And what would you say to the Eskimo philosophers who stated things like Eskimos had no moral duty to help gentiles in trouble (such as in the Good Samaritan situation) and that usury was fine against non-Eskimos?

Mark Caplan said...

Not to disagree with Whorefinder, but to add some balance, the hundred years of internecine wars in Europe between Christians -- Catholics versus Protestants -- were brutal. It's not just Eskimos who suffer internal conflicts. If it weren't for the internecine conflicts among Christians, the Pilgrims, Puritans, Quakers, and other nonconformists wouldn't have been pressed to establish a new country in the New World.

History refutes the proposition that Christians and Muslims don't exploit their fellow man, given the millions of people Christians and Muslims enslaved and exploited in colonial occupations. In the Ottoman Empire, the Ottoman Turks forbid the conquered Greeks from converting to Islam in order to maintain the lucrative jizya, the exploitative tax Muslims levy on unbelievers.

Whorefinder denounces Eskimo monopolists, ignoring the likes of Rockefeller, Frick, Carnegie, Bill Gates, Carlos Slim, and innumerable other non-Eskimo monopolists.

So, to Whorefinder, first take the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck from your brother's eye.

Anonymous said...

I'm still waiting to find out what prompted the college student to kidnap and murder the teenage girl. He might have had a compulsion to murder someone. Scary and disturbing. This story was on the local and national news.

-birdie

John Craig said...

Birdie --
I'm sure there'll be a follow up at some point, even if it's only at the trial.

Anonymous said...

More news has come out about the murdered 13 year old girl. Her killer and his college pal plotted the girl's murder, stabbing her to death. The two college students' friends, relatives, etc. are in disbelief over
their crime.

-birdie

John Craig said...

Birdie --
Thank you. So he is as evil as suspected, wow.

Anonymous said...

Wow is right! Jeepers.

-birdie

Anonymous said...

I feel sorry for the child, having overcome health issues, only to be murdered by two evil individuals. Peace to her soul.

-birdie