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Saturday, March 5, 2016

"Why I support Trump -- and resent the elites trying to destroy him"

Excellent article about how the "conservative" movement has gone astray. It's a little less compelling as a pro-Trump essay than as an anti-anti-Trump one.

31 comments:

Steven said...

He says Trump will put the national interest first instead of invading foreign countries like Iraq to free the people. All foreign policy is based in self-interest or involves self-interest, even when there is a mission to spread democracy. Besides, the neocons may have wanted to make Iraq a democracy but they invaded Iraq primarily to gain some geopolitical/geostrategic advantage. They weren't so keen on spreading democracy to the more America friendly dictatorships like Saudi Arabia.

Rebuilding western Europe after the second world war, while virtuous, was done to create a trading partner/market and limit the soviet union. Paying for Japan's defenses is somehow judged to be in America's interest, to maintain a strong presence in the region or whatever. All foreign policy is conceived in the national interest, and is at least in the interest of wealthy elites (the exception might be when it is to benefit Israel).

The question is not whether Trump will attempt to pursue the national interest but whether he will pursue it more wisely and competently, and also whether he will represent the interests of 'ordinary Americans' rather than elites.

John Craig said...

Steven --
The neocons were keen on defeating a possible threat to Israel; making Iraq a democracy was just some boilerplate that was added on afterwards to justify the invasion, no serious analyst thought that was really possible.

Rebuilding Europe wasn't done purely out of a desire for a trading partner, there was some goodwill involved there too.

And keeping Japan without a military was judged to be in the world's -- and the US's -- interests in 1945, but Japan hasn't been a threat in a long time, and our military presence there has had the purpose of warning China off than anything else, for decades. It's high time Japan paid for our protection.

You're right, the interests of ordinary Americans is often at odds with the interests of the elites, and that's where much of Trump's appeal comes from. He SEEMS to be speaking for the middle class.

Steven said...

I've often thought that if you interpret foreign policy as the actions of an empire (solely concerned with the maintenance or advancement of its own wealth and power), accompanied by modern rhetoric, you wouldn't be far off the mark.

Chomsky wrote about Iraq:

"Iraq contains perhaps the second largest oil reserves in the world, which are, furthermore, very cheap to extract: no permafrost or tar sands or deep sea drilling. For US planners, it is imperative that Iraq remain under U.S. control, to the extent possible, as an obedient client state that will also house major U.S. military bases, right at the heart of the world’s major energy reserves.

That these were the primary goals of the invasion was always clear enough through the haze of successive pretexts: weapons of mass destruction, Saddam’s links with Al-Qaeda, democracy promotion and the war against terrorism, which, as predicted, sharply increased as a result of the invasion."

The point, according to Chomsky, was not necessarily to secure the oil for ones own use but to have control of it.


Are you sure Japan wouldn't let America wind down its presence if they had to pay? They are paying for a reason, presumably.

John Craig said...

Steven --
Japan would have no choice if the US really wanted to wind down its presence there, but I suspect they would help foot the bill if faced with the alternatives. There's a contingent in Japan who now want the US out, partly because of a couple of rapes that US servicemen committed on Okinawa. But I think that's a little shortsighted.

Mark Caplan said...

Noam Chomsky sounds like a George W. Bush fan for mistaken reasons. Stealing a country's oil is one of the best reasons to go to war. Bush even promised us the war wouldn't cost U.S. taxpayers a dime: Money from Iraq's limitless oil wealth would pay the entire cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom. However the real reason the United States invaded Iraq and blew through $2.2 trillion, as we now know, had more to do with protecting our stalwart ally in the Middle East.

The names of those who beat the drums for war reads like this:
Elliot Abrams
Ken Adelman
David Brooks
Alan Dershowitz
Douglas Feith
Ari Fleischer
Thomas Friedman
David Frum
David Galernter
Christopher Hitchens
David Horowitz
Robert Kagan
Charles Krauthammer
Irving Kristol
William Kristol
Bernard Lewis
Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Joseph Lieberman
Jackie Mason
Michael Medved
Judith Miller
Richard Perle
Daniel Pipes
John Podhoretz
Norman Podhoretz
Kenneth Pollack
Michael Rubin
William Safire
Michael Savage
Laura Schlesinger
Diana West
Paul Wolfowitz
...and some gentiles such as Bush, Rumsfeld, Rupert Murdoch, and Hillary Clinton.

http://nothing-is-inevitable.atspace.com/lobby/lobby.html

europeasant said...

I will vote for Trump. He is the most known person in the US that called out Busch on the Iraq invasion. I could not believe what I heard on TV that debate night.
I've been thinking the same thing since I heard about the plans for the invasion.
He literally shocked me that night. I could not believe my ears. That took gutz.
Simply for that one statement I would vote for Trump.
A man who is not afraid to bring up issues that some of us keep in our heads because we do not want to offend.

John Craig said...

Europeasant --
Trump is forthright, no question about that. And yes, that Iraq statement was admirable, even if -- or rather, BECAUSE -- he sent the RNC into a tizzy.

europeasant said...

In America the Pravda" age is coming to an end.It could not come too soon.

John Craig said...

Europeasant --
I wish I were as sure about that as you seem to be. The NY Times, the Washington Post, the networks, Hollywood, and their ilk will keep the lies coming as long as they can. And they were actually more forthcoming about the Iraq War than the mainstream Republicans were. Though they are far less honest about what's going on domestically. Anyway…..we can hope.

Anonymous said...

I will vote for Trump. He has the best opportunity to defeat Hillary and expand the Republican Party. His anti-immigration stance resonates with voters, he is not ideological and thus will attract independents and democrats to vote for him.

Living here in New Jersey the nominee has always bend decided before the June Primary. This year I expect the nominee may be decided in June. it is easy to envision a scenario where he needs to win NJ and California on June 7 to get the required number of delegates. NJ has a winner Take all primary for their 51 delegates.... not sure how California allocates their 172 delegates.


John Craig said...

Anon --
Hope you're right. The mix of states coming up does seem to favor Trump….I agree he can expand the Republican Party, though it also looks as if there will be some neocon deserters if he gets the nomination.

Steven said...

I'm pretty sure Chomsky think its wrong to go to war to steal a country's oil, as I do.

Steven said...

you might like this John. CH always talks about how Trump is gaming the nation. This video explains how he is a master persuader and it covers some game concepts like frame, social proof etc without calling them that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LR6EA91zLo

Steven said...

this one is even better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvVfj0ov8k8

it explains how Trump has positioned himself as the alpha male strongman and the winner who can make America great again. He even talks about how Trump acts like a jerk but people see strength.

John Craig said...

Steven --
Just watched the one from your 4:02 post. Quite interesting. As I was watching it, I had to ask myself, was I swayed by those "arguments." I'm afraid to say I was, a little. When you quote a number of unnamed experts, or say that "everybody" says something, it is somehow persuasive, even if at the moment, you wonder, hmm, I wonder who these experts are.

And yes, he won all those interchanges with Jeb Bush by leaving him with no rational response.

John Craig said...

Steven --
Just watched the second one. Yes, Trump is every good at playing that game, which worries me. I've known guys like that, and I always seemed to end up disliking them. They were invariably hypocrites, and narcissists, and some were sociopaths as well. There's no questioning that Trump is over promising in his campaign. And he's also benefitting from being the anti-Obama, at a point in time when people, Republicans especially, are heartily sick of Obama.

Steven said...

This is a brilliant take down of Trump by John Oliver:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGc2nN9OguQ


If that doesn't make you think twice about voting for Trump then nothing will. I'm not even going to comment about him on this blog again.

btw how is your health? Let us know how you're doing.

John Craig said...

Steven --
I watched about seven minutes of it; Oliver made a couple of good points but mostly took a lot of cheap shots, from what I could see.

My health is fine, for now, thanks. The cancer is still contained, I'm about to get it treated. Will write an update about it later.

Steven said...

do you think he might be a sociopath? He seems to be a pathological liar and when he advocates 'taking out' terrorist's families, he's taking being anti-pc to the level of war crimes.

John Craig said...

Steven --
No, I see him as a narcissist but not a sociopath, as I wrote here:

http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2015/07/donald-trump-not-sociopath.html

Oliver took a lot of stuff Trump said out of context and twisted it to make it look worse than it was. That said, sure, Trump is prone to hyperbole and exaggeration and sometimes outright lies. I would put his talk about taking our terrorists' families in the former category.

arthur thurman said...

In other news, the Chicago rally was cancelled due to security concerns with the large crowd of protesters. Media blames Trump for creating a violent climate. Chicago as we all know is that peace loving city where just this week, 20 people were shot in 21 hours resulting in a few deaths. I know we are not supposed to notice things these days but there have been major issues in this city and in St. Louis. I see the pattern here....

Not to get tin foil hat but the name George Soros comes to mind as well.

John Craig said...

Arthur --
It's an absolutely outrage. The Left wants to shut down free speech, and use Gestapo tactics to do it. Meanwhile, they accuse Trump of being a Nazi, though they are the ones who are acting like fascists. The hypocrisy is just overwhelming, yet the media will never call them on it because they themselves are part of it.

Has the Right ever tried to shut down a speech by a Leftist on campus?

Yes, easy to see Soros' hand in all of this.

arthur thurman said...

Meanwhile, the President continues his "Audacity of Hope" speeches.... Hoping we believe his version of events the last 7 1/2 years. He takes no responsibility for the rise of Trump placing the blame solely on Congress, the GOP, his grandma... Etc.

John Craig said...

Arthur --
You just hit on an important point: Trump is popular precisely BECAUSE he is the anti-Obama.

Anonymous said...

My thoughts and prayers are with Trump. His enemies are playing dirty.

-birdie

John Craig said...

Birdie --
The Left always pals dirty, and hypocritically. Shutting down speeches, etc.

Anonymous said...

I have read some online articles concerning Trump. A lot of commenters think that Trump is being set up. Just makes them want to vote for him more.

-birdie

Anonymous said...

Just thinking about what has occurred is causing my BP to rise. Thus, I will simply pray for Trump, that he is protected and able to continue on. I can't stand what his opponents are throwing his way. They are really trying to crush him, coming from all sides. I'm concerned for his safety and well-being. If only more people would wake up and see through the smoke.

-birdie

John Craig said...

Birdie --
Yes, you're not the first to say that he is at risk from an assassination attempt. There are a lot of people-- as exemplified by the mob at UIC -- who would like to see him stopped, and there are also a lot of powerful neocons who feel the same way.

Anonymous said...

I voted for Trump in my state's primary, and have supported him - for his policy proposals, from the beginning.

I have learned so much about myself by reading the mainstream media analysis of The Donald.

Shortly after Trump announced his plan for illegal immigration, I learned that I was part of a limited size, core group, of angry old racist white men.

Later I learned that I was stupid and uneducated.

Last week I learned that I am drawn to authoritarian figures.

Somehow the MSM has been unable to change my mind about The Donald's policy proposals.

- Ed

John Craig said...

Ed --
Ha! The bias and sheer hypocrisy of the MSM never ceases to amaze. Look at the way they practically crucified Trump for not having disavowed David Duke quickly enough, even though Trump had no personal connection with Duke, and then compare that to how they ignored the fact that Obama attended a church run by Jeremiah Wright, who is essentially a black nationalist (Duke's mirror image), for seventeen years.