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Wednesday, October 12, 2016

Vandalism from the Left vs. the Right

An article in the local paper a couple days ago described how Trump signs have been vandalized all over town. People put them on their lawns, and then, within a few days, someone has either stolen them or pushed them over.

There have been no similar complaints from people who put up Clinton signs.

The local paper didn't get into a philosophical discussion about what that means.

But it's hard not to see this as an example, in microcosm, of a basic difference between Left and Right.

The Right believes in free speech. The Left believes in free speech for its own side, but categorizes anything it disagrees with as "hate speech," which they do their best to repress.

The Right respects other people's property. The Left does not, whether it's a Trump sign or someone's taxable income.

A friend recently put a Trump sticker on his car, somewhat apprehensively, just to see what kind of reaction it would get. Within a week one lady shook her head and hissed at him, "America is already great!"

I don't think that liberals who put a Hillary sticker on their car get equivalent reactions. My friend was worried that someone might key his car (no one has, so far). I don't think liberals worry about that.

The same friend got a Trump t-shirt. While he was walking with his girlfriend on the beach, another guy glared at him. (Do conservatives glare angrily at people wearing Hillary t-shirts?)

He said yesterday, "At the dump a guy in a pick-up truck looked at me and did a prolonged shaking of the head and amused frown, as if in disbelief." (Do conservatives condescend so ostentatiously?)

The most telling thing is that, somehow, none of this is surprising.

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

I have seen a few Trump signs around town, but not that many. One firefighter in town has the back of his truck decked out with a large Trump sign (and two American flags). At the grocery store last week, I noticed that an SUV had stickers on it concerning Hillary, something like, "Hillary for jail," etc. Obviously, the owner of that SUV didn't care for Hillary. I have a Trump sticker in my house. When my kids' friends come over, most of them have smiled and said something or other about my sticker. I've told them that Trump is not the best candidate to run for the WH, but, he's a heck of a lot better than HRC. I recently left a comment on a religious person's FB page, supporting Trump, also stating that HRC is a corrupt, dishonest woman who shouldn't be the leader of the free world, and nearly had my head chopped off. I'm growing thick skin. The numbers of people who support HRC is amazing.

- Susan

John Craig said...

Susan --
If I were you I wouldn't engage personal friends in a political discussion, it's generally not good for friendships. I don't get into political discussions with casual acquaintances. I generally don't even with friends, though they all know where I stand. I think it was William F. Buckley who said, "I've never lost a political argument in my life. On the other hand, I've never won one either." Nobody will ever convince anyone else to switch sides due to a conversation.

Anonymous said...

Dale Carnegie named a chapter of one of his books, "You Can Never Win An Argument." It's true. I think it's best to avoid political arguments. However, in today's environment, if you back away from an argument gracefully they will peg you for an apostate, which is the same as wearing a KKK sheet.

Puzzled

Anonymous said...

I know better not to get into any political discussion with FB friends. The FB page that I left a comment on was related to to a well known Christian woman (writer, public speaker, singer, etc.). I am somewhat of a fan of this person. The Christian woman herself didn't reply. Some of the commenters approved of my comment and others clearly didn't like what I said. In the end, no big deal. I was simply expressing my opinion and trying to warn people about HRC.

- Susan

John Craig said...

Puzzled --
That actually is another good illustration of the point of this post. If you back away from an argument with a conservative, no big deal. If you back away from an argument with a liberal, you're a card-carrying member of the KKK.

John Craig said...

Susan --
I appreciate you trying to proselytize, but it can backfire in your personal life. This blog is here for people who find it, and in the political posts I try to make arguments which would win over "swing voters," so to speak. But most liberals won't come back a second time; they're too "offended" by my honesty. And mostly, as happens with most blogs, I just end up preaching to the converted anyway.

Anonymous said...

In fact, I just got into an argument with a liberal man, but I knew what I was getting into. I didn't think I was going to change his mind. But I had to say something. It was about Trump bringing up the Central Park rapists. I told him that I thought it was stupid of Trump to bring up the issue now with so many other more important things. And I do think that. But that those boys were guilty I have no doubt.

This guy disagreed, and we went at it. He was slimy, underhanded, vicious, and to use a lefty phrase, a real "mansplainer." That's another thing: left wing men are total sexists, and have none of the traditional gentlemanly qualities that some on the right still have. Forrest Gump had something about this.

Puzzled

Anonymous said...

That's exactly what happened to me, LOL. I got into an argument w/a liberal about Trump bringing up the Central Park rape case. I happen to think that Trump should focus on other things, but liberal and I argued about whether the boys were guilty. They were, guilty as hell, John. Ann Coulter did a good job explaining it here:

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-04-23.html

Because I think the boys were guilty, I am rayciss.

Here's another difference between liberals and conservatives. If I bring up something that a liberal writes that is factual (it does happen, rarely) a conservative won't necessarily dismiss is out of hand. But mention Ann Coulter to a liberal....you get my point.

Puzzled

John Craig said...

Puzzled --
The longer I observe this stuff, the more I see examples of what you're talking about. SJW's are narcissists, for the most part. It's all about the pose, the virtue signaling, and the supposed intellectual superiority. And they always use ad hominem arguments, since logic is not on their side.

Agree completely about the Central Park rapists.

John Craig said...

Puzzled --
Yes, their favorite method of arguing is to call names: racist, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, etc. They think that calling you a name settles the argument. It's infantile.

Steven said...

Would your friend have gotten the same reaction in a Mitt Romney t-shirt?

Trump is seen as a special case. Liberals think he is the fascist anti-Christ.

Jokah Macpherson said...

I've been in two situations in the past week alone (and more besides) where good friends have said something along the lines of, "I don't understand how anyone can support Trump," without knowing where I stand. Since I was a day one Trump supporter, this hits me like, say, a Jew having a good Christian friend assume he's a Christian and tell him that he doesn't understand how anyone could possibly reject Jesus as their savior.

At times like this I'm tempted to try to convince them not that Trump is the clear choice but simply that sane, reasonable people can support Trump, but then I think fuck it, who cares, all this does is reflect poorly on them, and honestly I value friendship more than being right.

But I do value being right more than my reputation a lot; probably more than is good for me.

Mark Caplan said...

The rape and beating of the Central Park jogger was eventually pinned on one Matias Reyes, who was not one of the the Central Park Five. The Five were hoodlums, to be sure, but evidently didn't participate in the notorious attack. Wikipedia says current NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio ordered the city to pay the Central Park Five $41 million, which, for all we know, might make them richer than Donald Trump.

While we're wallowing in the good ol' days, a wonderful "American Playhouse" movie I heartily recommend is THE TRIAL OF BERNHARD GOETZ (pronounced Gets). Goetz was the "Subway Vigilante" who wounded a bunch of hoodlums who were attempting to rob him on a NYC subway car. The 1981 movie reenacts Goetz's trial using the actual trial transcript. As an added endorsement, my wife hated the film.

John Craig said...

Steven --
That's true, he probably would have gotten a less strong reaction to a Romney t-shirt.

John Craig said...

Jokah --
I'm like you, I tend to avoid these discussions in person.

But, also like you, or probably even more so than you, here I am putting this blog out under my own name and thus rendering myself unemployable.

John Craig said...

Mark --
I'm familiar with the entire Matias Reyes story and the outcome of the case, as I'm sure Puzzled is. But if you look closely at what happened, it's pretty obvious -- in my opinion -- that the Central Park Five were in fact guilty. I saw a TV show featuring one of the NYPD detectives who worked on the case, and he was convinced -- and convincing -- that they were in fact guilty. There were all sorts of connections between Reyes and one of the Five, and Reyes owed him, and knew his mother. Of the five, according to their original confession, only Steve Lopez actually had intercourse with her, and he did so in front of the others, and it's quite possible he didn't ejaculate, which is how his DNA was not found on/in the victim. Reyes came upon the unconscious woman later, and had intercourse with her immobile body, and had an orgasm, which is how his DNA (and only his DNA) was found on her. And given that, NYC had no choice but to free the Five. But that doesn't mean they weren't the ones to originally attack her and hit her in the head with a brick. Reyes later claimed he was the one who first attacked her and hit her in the head with a brick; but keep in mind, he was already serving a life sentence and had nothing to lose by his confession.

Anonymous said...

Maybe this is an American thing because here in Europe we have vandalism from Left & Right. During the 2010 General Election I noticed that all the non-Labour signs on the street where I lived had been vandalised and the Labour ones left intact. Left graffiti is almost always about tax issues ("tax the rich") and Right graffiti about immigration ("send them home"). The physical violence is almost always from the Right though - from Pediga in Dresden to the English Defence League in Luton, the Left doesn't have anything comparable.

- Gethin

John Craig said...

Gethin!!

Great to hear from you, it's been a while, I'd wondered what had happened to you.

True enough, the skinheads, or whatever they're called in the UK these days, have a reputation for violence. But aren't the Muslims -- who, if not traditional leftists, are certainly in favor of immigration -- fairly violent as well? Think of the banlieus in France, the mass molestation in Cologne, even the goings on in Rotherham, which must have at lest had the implicit threat of violence behind them.

Anonymous said...

I forgot to mention that I deliberately have not put any stickers on my vehicle because I don't want it to be vandalized. So, the one sticker that I have is inside my house (in my kitchen). We live in a crazy world. Regarding my possessions, I'd rather be safe than sorry, so I'm not "broadcasting" my political views via my vehicle.

- Susan

John Craig said...

Susan --
That illustrates my point perfectly. I'd be afraid, too, that someone would key my car if I did something like that. (Not that I'm the bumper sticker type to begin with.)

Anonymous said...

John,

You know a few things I didn't. I didn't know that there were connections between Reyes and one of the five. Makes sense.

Maybe it's the election, but (excuse me for using this phrase) I'm getting horribly triggered by everything. I can't read the news online without being literally assaulted by race-baiting. WaPo has gone full on race bonkers. They make the NY Times look like Buckley's National Review. Here is racial feelgood from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/10/12/a-white-cop-in-ga-saved-a-black-infants-life-now-hes-her-godfather/

Jesus. I realize I sound like a pathetic cuck, but why do they have to turn the whole thing into a racial allegory?

Of course I'm happy the cop saved the baby, but all the smarmy shit about how she's now part of his family is insane. She's a ghetto product with two incompetent parents (two month olds should not be eating solid food, her parents should be investigated), and it will become obvious as the years pass that she should be kept away from his children, esp. if she drags along a little brother. We won't hear if anything bad happens, though.

Mark,

Read this: http://robertktanenbaumbooks.com/the-injustice-of-a-rush-to-judgment/

There's a link to a PDF embedded. I have to admit I could never read the entire thing.
Those shits were guilty, of actually of much more than the rape. In the original trial, the lead prosecutor admitted that they weren't the only ones who were guilty, as there were about 30 thugs causing havoc. (To that extent, it was a show trial.)

But they were guilty. Go to the Wikipedia article and read the description of the entire night, which consisted of crimes nearly as bad as that committed on the jogger.

We used to put up with that. Because they were black and we deserve it for 400 years of slavery. Etc. Some say we're headed back to those days - I happen not to think so, but I could be wrong.

I'm thinking of leaving the US. This country is headed for bad times. If I die, I might as well die in a place that doesn't literally make me sick.

Puzzled

Anonymous said...

John,

A while back I said that we were living through a second reconstruction. The last time there was enough health in the body politic to put an end to the first one. We don't have that now. We are ruled by a global elite whose program is to destroy this republic, and I hate to say this, but I think they succeeded in the 2nd Obama administration. The Hillary regency will be a consolidation. My guess is that in addition to everything else she'll do (illegals, Supreme Court, etc.) she'll abolish the states. Functionally state sovereignty as opposed to Federal, is castrated anyway. Why keep them?

P

Anonymous said...

John,

I think in the US we conservatives don't see the potential for right wing violence, because it just doesn't happen here. Conservative means you are a dough faced church going cuck. In Europe, it's quite different. You're 100% right about Muslims, and I advocate an immediate ban on all Muslim migration to Europe, but their history is one of violent nativist fascism. If you've seen a Doc Marten's wearing thug up close, and I have, it's pretty scary. Since the elite of Europe is as bad as ours, they'll be coming back.

Puzzled

John Craig said...

Puzzled --
I hadn't even thought of that, state sovereignty, but yeah, that's another thing Hillary will crush further. I still think the most important issue is immigration. Th more people we get from Mexico, the more the US will look like Mexico City or Juarez. The more people we take in from Haiti or Africa, the more our cities will look like Port au Prince or Lagos. And the more Muslim refugees we take in, the closer we'll be to Iraq. Political fads come and go, but demography is long term destiny, essentially irreversible.

John Craig said...

Puzzled --
The media does their best to intimidate whites, witness the recent incident with the cop who refused to shoot a black thug who was smashing her head against the pavement in Chicago because, she said, she basically didn't want the sky to come falling down on her, which she knew would happen if she shot him. And whenever a white shoots a black, it's national news, and remains that way for days or weeks, whereas when a black shoots a white, the media deems it non-newsworthy.

But sooner or later, yes, it could happen. All the violence just can't keep being so one-sided.

Mark Caplan said...

Now having read more about the Central Park Five, I see that the Five did participate in the rape, along with Matias Reyes. This from The Daily Beast in 2014, "The Myth of the Central Park Five":

"Melonie Jackson, the older sister of a friend of Korey Wise [one of the Five], talked to him after he called the house from Rikers Island. When she expressed her dismay about the rape, Wise said that he’d only held the jogger down. Jackson volunteered this information to detectives, just before the trial, in the mistaken belief that it would help Wise. When ordered to take the stand, she wept, but she still swore that the conversation had occurred, just as she’d said."

Anonymous said...

John,

Please! You are preaching to the converted here, OK? I AGREE w/you. I am only pointing out that there is a different perspective in Europe. We don't have gangs of white boys patrolling in "bovver boots" kicking people's heads in. They have that in Europe.

State sovereignty has already been crushed. At some point in the future, the Federal government will simply do away with states themselves and the Electoral College.

P

John Craig said...

Puzzled --
Wasn't suggesting you didn't agree, it was more of an underlining than an explanation.

Anonymous said...

Mark,

Thanks for the Daily Beast article. I avoid reading about this topic. I have to admit that the NYPD by the 1970s the NYPD was a horribly corrupt organization. But why? Because they were dealing with a feral population out of control. We are returning to that.

John -

Of course I agree about demographics in the short run, but in the longer run, they can be reversed. Just as it was with whites. What you can't get back is political sovereignty. Once rights are lost, they are gone, forever.

P

Pangur said...

Engaging leftists is a waste of time unless the opportunity is taken to mock, troll and laugh at them. They do not deserve anything else, nor will they. If I ever find myself in one of these situations (which I try to avoid, for all the reasons listed above), I go straight to making fun of them. Being 6' and 200# doesn't hurt . . . I have yet to see a liberal male who's not -- in today's trending phrase -- a pussy.

Anonymous said...

"Engaging leftists is a waste of time unless the opportunity is taken to mock, troll and laugh at them."

Excellent point. I should remember it.

P

Pangur said...

"Excellent point. I should remember it."

Indeed you should.

Never back down, never apologize, always double down and always laugh at these cretins. Give no quarter, don't be reasonable.

The Ambivalent Misanthrope said...

I've just realized something shocking --- I don't even know what a Trump sign looks like, given where I live. No one displays them here, either because 1) they're rabid liberals, or 2) they wouldn't dream of exposing themslves publicly. I think all the Trump supporters around here are fully closeted.

I sure won't be going public with my convictions. Just yesterday my boss asked me, as we were passing a newsflash featuring Trump on the flat-screen TV in the lobby: "Ugh. I assume you're not supporting him, right?"

She didn't even wait for an answer, The question contained its own assumption, which is that no sane, civilized, normal person would support Trump.

John Craig said...

Ambivalent Misanthrope --
It just speaks volumes that Trump supporters DO have to stay in the closet in certain areas. It's 1984 come to life, McCarthyism in reverse, all the other things people have said. It's the political affiliation that dare not speak its name. (Only in certain areas, I realize.)

And it's how a certain strain of white people with IQ's between 100 and 115 signal that they're smart, enlightened, good people. It's pathetic. All they're showing is how brainwashed and weak-minded they are.

Anonymous said...

" firebombing of a North Carolina Republican headquarters "; (this past weekend)

“Nazi Republicans get out of town or else” were spray painted on the side of an adjacent building.

Brought to you by:

- the nice people (unlike those mean spirited Republicans)
- the open minded, tolerant people (unlike those narrow minded, racist xenophobes)
- the GOOD people (the ones who think that duly passed and enacted immigration law must not be enforced, because illegals are nice people)

Yesterday I drove by a large Trump / Pence sign on a local Route. Spray painted over it was a huge red circle with a red line diagonally across it.

Haven't seen one Hillary sign defaced.

Vote against the jackboot thugs. Vote freedom of legitimate, reasonable political expression. Vote Trump.

- Ed

Anonymous said...

More anti Trump vandalism in Indiana:

Here.

- Ed

John Craig said...

Ed --
Thank you. Yet another illustration of the basic difference in personality between the Left and Right.

Throwing a rock through a window is, when all is said and done, a petulant, childish, temperamental act.

Anonymous said...

and again: man arrested in bomb threat against NC Republican office.

I spoke with a pro-Hillary guy yesterday. He said he was afraid of what those Trump zealots were going to do if Trump loses, and won't concede the loss.

Upside down and backwards.

Has there been any pro-Trump vandalism and violence? I haven't seen it, but maybe I'm not reading the right sources.

- Ed

Anonymous said...

yet another:

Woman smeared peanut butter on 30 vehicles she believed were parked outside a Trump gathering

- Ed

John Craig said...

Ed --
There's absolutely no question, almost all of the violence has been instigated by the Left. Yet the media portrays it as if it's the Right, when it's just the opposite, as you say.

John Craig said...

Ed --
Ha, and she didn't even get it right.

Anonymous said...

This article chronicles anti-Trump violence throughout the campaign - along with the media attention the events received (which is generally none, except for the few that the national media could not ignore).

- Ed

John Craig said...

Thanks Ed, good article.

Anonymous said...

The anti-Trump vandalism and violence continues. Somehow this story this story about a Trump supporter's truck torched by anti-Trump vandals while the owner (who happens to be Asian), and his son were fishing nearby, missed the Yahoo news feed.

Can you imagine the coverage if the situation were reversed (people heard shouting F*** Hillary, smashing vehicle windows, and burning the vehicle while a good man and his son were fishing nearby)..... It would be wall to wall national news.

Yet when you listen to the typical left of center, MSM consuming person - its those crazy Trump people that we REALLY need to worry about.

Off topic - when I heard the news that Comey ruled that there would be no new findings after reviewing 650,000 emails (that flowed through Hillary's illegal server) found on Weiner's laptop (after Huma stated under oath that there were no more copies of emails on any devices) - in 8 days - my reaction was 'what a kick in the balls'. But this morning I realize the bigger message that shines through - what more evidence does anyone need that the Obama administration, and almost everything that happens around the Clintons - is completely corrupt?

And Clinton corruption has been one of Trump's big themes.

There really was no way for Hillary to come out of this second review unscathed.

- Ed

John Craig said...

Ed --
You're of course completely right. The only good thing to come out of all this is that more people than ever see how biased the MSM is. It doesn't even bother with the presence of fairness anymore, all it is is Tass for the liberals.

And yes, the mockery of a review of Hilary's new emails had as much of a chance of getting her convicted as the evidence did of getting OJ convicted back in '94. Comey wasn't going to ask for an indictment of Hillary anymore than that jury was going to find the Juice guilty.