tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post175427293832992809..comments2024-02-17T04:06:00.805-05:00Comments on Just Not Said: Michelle Carter has Munchausen-by-proxyJohn Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-53937916128295962372023-01-01T04:53:09.814-05:002023-01-01T04:53:09.814-05:00Anon --
Munchausen-by-proxy is a "disease&quo...Anon --<br />Munchausen-by-proxy is a "disease" that only sociopaths get. And it's amazing how often doctors miss it. They get into a room ("clinical setting") with some sociopathic con artist (which is actually redundant, as all sociopaths are con artists), and they think, oh, well, this person seems pretty normal to me, in fact he (she) seems quite charming, and he's obviously not some monster like Ted Bundy. And then they give the person a clean bill of mental health. But then again, that's how con artists are successful, it's how Bundy got all those girls into his car in the first place. It's how Bernie Madoff got all his investors to trust him. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-15782215589307131732022-12-31T22:05:29.787-05:002022-12-31T22:05:29.787-05:00First thing I thought after learning all about her...First thing I thought after learning all about her. She has Munchhausen by proxy. It’s so obvious. Too bad that so called doctor couldn’t see it, but then he seemed like an idiot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-36155959261283918452017-08-05T10:10:44.231-04:002017-08-05T10:10:44.231-04:00Susan --
That's quite possible. Another possib...Susan --<br />That's quite possible. Another possibility is that she's still trying to make it look as if she "cares" for him, in some kind of misguided PR effort.<br /><br />It'll be interesting to see how the rest of her life turns out.John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-11677126165875741722017-08-05T10:06:19.031-04:002017-08-05T10:06:19.031-04:00There have been articles on the Daily Mail website...There have been articles on the Daily Mail website, covering this case. According to one of Conrad's relatives, Michelle Carter asked the family for some of her boyfriend's ashes (which seemed like an odd request to the family). Some commenters surmised that it was similar to what a serial killer would do, having something in their possession that was connected to the victim.<br /><br />- SusanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-57357768692416901082017-08-05T09:34:54.488-04:002017-08-05T09:34:54.488-04:00Susan --
Defendants often appeal their verdicts, i...Susan --<br />Defendants often appeal their verdicts, in which case the victims' families and everyone else have to go through the same rigamarole all over again. It doesn't seem right, particularly in a case like this, but that's our system. <br /><br />My guess is that they realize she won't be a popular inmate, and are worried about what fate may befall her in prison. I suppose a lot of that depends on what type of prison she gets sent to; if it's medium security or stronger, the risks for her are probably higher. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-61158036389036023442017-08-05T08:23:21.901-04:002017-08-05T08:23:21.901-04:00Michelle Carter received a 15 month sentence but i...Michelle Carter received a 15 month sentence but is out on appeal? Makes no sense to me. This must be hard on the boy's family, seeing her free, not in prison.<br /><br />- SusanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-9567043606210524372017-06-16T14:44:16.301-04:002017-06-16T14:44:16.301-04:00GT --
Thank you, that's good news. And ha, no,...GT --<br />Thank you, that's good news. And ha, no, not exactly what she was looking for.John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-66067926464033270852017-06-16T11:53:51.068-04:002017-06-16T11:53:51.068-04:00http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/michelle-carte...http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/michelle-carter-found-guilty-in-boyfriends-texting-suicide/ar-BBCH3Fo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp<br /><br />She was found guilty - I doubt this was the type of attention she was seeking. GThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03967715560960698018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-53519951951610376972017-06-13T15:24:34.811-04:002017-06-13T15:24:34.811-04:00Sherie --
Ouch. I won't pry any further. Well,...Sherie --<br />Ouch. I won't pry any further. Well, character is formed by age 11, in fact probably earlier than that, so you're lucky you had a nice mother. all it takes to grow up normal is the love of one parent. <br /><br />Good job with your son. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-20693566347784627832017-06-13T15:08:07.566-04:002017-06-13T15:08:07.566-04:00After my mother died when I was 11years, I saw the...After my mother died when I was 11years, I saw the face of evil. I wasted too much time and energy trying understand that nothing was wrong with me. My mother loved me very much. That's why I am stable and have raised a pretty nice 17 year old guy. <br /><br />SherieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-4285238892291955462017-06-13T10:15:51.658-04:002017-06-13T10:15:51.658-04:00Susan --
It IS interesting that people will often ...Susan --<br />It IS interesting that people will often hate those who remind them most of themselves, whether or not they are consciously aware of that. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-66047769628456489792017-06-13T10:04:57.050-04:002017-06-13T10:04:57.050-04:00Unfortunately, there are women who will turn a bli...Unfortunately, there are women who will turn a blind eye to husbands who are abusive toward their children. When I was in my twenties, I met a woman (our mothers were friends from church) who revealed to me that her father bullied her, but for some reason not her siblings. She chalked it up to the fact that she reminded her dad of himself. This woman worked as a head hunter, running her business from the basement of her mother's house. She explained how her dad was abusive toward her. No-one in the family growing up stuck up for her. It was when she was an adult and her father was being awful toward her that her mother finally defended her,telling her husband to back off. This woman claimed that this had been the first time that anyone in her family-of-origin had acknowledged the father's mistreatment of her. This woman was on to her second marriage, getting ready to end it because of how that husband treated her. It's painful how people can treat each other.<br /><br />- SusanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-18087031763226611412017-06-13T07:02:39.161-04:002017-06-13T07:02:39.161-04:00Sherie --
I'm surprised to hear that of you, y...Sherie --<br />I'm surprised to hear that of you, you sound so well-adjusted and bright and cheerful in your comments. (Is that how you stumbled across this blog? By Googling questions about sociopaths?)<br /><br />Now that you and LBD mention it, I do seem to recall a few instances of mothers who turned a blind eye to their husbands molesting their daughters. In fact I wrote about one such case here, Frances Lear:<br /><br />http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2016/03/frances-lear.html<br /><br />(Although in her case it was a stepmother, which I suppose is somewhat different.)John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-86214273530700235482017-06-13T07:02:07.343-04:002017-06-13T07:02:07.343-04:00LBD --
I can see how the sons might feel that way,...LBD --<br />I can see how the sons might feel that way, but the father? I suppose that brings up the question of whether he's really the father, and if he isn't, if he's aware of that fact. Every now and then i'll hear of some woman in the inner city who's been extraordinarily mean to one of her children, while being a normal mother to the others. And I can't help but wonder if that's her way of getting back at the father of that particular child. <br /><br />Good point, my life is largely on autopilot these days too. I don't have automatic bill payments, but I"m such a creature of habit that anyone on the outside looking in would say, that guy is really a pathetic creature of habit. At the same time, though, that's what allows me to do stuff like write a blog; not putting thought into other things (like a job) allows my mind to wander a little more freely.<br /><br />LBD, sorry, I hate to have to tell you this, but your husband is a serial child molester. (JK)<br />John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-72206273572687799032017-06-13T06:49:11.632-04:002017-06-13T06:49:11.632-04:00LBD is right about the laziness part. But more tha...LBD is right about the laziness part. But more than laziness, it is selfishness that stops families and society from taking action. To stop an abusive family member may mean personal loss of benefits. Believe me I have personally experienced it. It is painful to know that the ones who should protect you will do anything to prevent their apple cart from being upset. <br /><br />SherieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-76919506082302031752017-06-12T23:33:13.314-04:002017-06-12T23:33:13.314-04:00That's another aspect of the tolerance of evil...That's another aspect of the tolerance of evil: astounding how easily people can accept the harm done to others as long as they weren't on the receiving end. The husband and sons are fine, so it's OK. It might as well have happened to a stranger in Peru, not their daughter and sister.<br /><br />By a certain age, much of our lives are on autopilot. I find that once I have made certain decisions and set up organized systems (automatic bill payments, regular replenishing of things I use frequently) there is little effort I have to make in nearly every part of my daily life.<br /><br />Sometimes I do things to shake it up (travel, remodeling a room) to break that rut. I do know that major change would be unpleasant to me. If I found out something dreadful about my spouse, the first thing I would think is, "Oh, crap, don't tell me I have to move"! I would do it but I sure wouldn't like it. Disclaimer: my husband is one of the nicest and most moral people in the universe, so unlikely. Just using an example.LBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09801426778490250668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-53191006503190434702017-06-12T22:11:05.659-04:002017-06-12T22:11:05.659-04:00LBD --
You have an evermore cynical view of humani...LBD --<br />You have an evermore cynical view of humanity than I do. But when you spell it out that way.....I think you're right. There is a lot of laziness involved in what we do. I"m lazy in a lot of ways myself, though I've always called it "inertia" in my own case.<br /><br />But yikes, a mother who's willing to hurt her own child in order to gain attention and sympathy from strangers.....I think I'd be too scared to live under the same roof as her. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-21805954469945782132017-06-12T21:41:00.634-04:002017-06-12T21:41:00.634-04:00It's always interesting to me to see how many ...It's always interesting to me to see how many allies evil is able to count on, mainly because people are too mentally and physically lazy to face the actions they would be required to take were they to acknowledge the evil which is in plain sight. You see this a lot within families who deny child molestation has occurred even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Were the evil to be acknowledged, they would have to divorce, find a job or do with less money, find new living quarters, and on and on. Easier to say the kid made it up.<br /><br />I don't believe the family is "naive", I believe they find it too much trouble to deal with the consequences of acknowledging the truth. The state made it very convenient for them by relieving them of the burden of caring for the injured daughter. Mom moves back in and they don't have to do their own cooking and laundry any more. I really think it's that simple.LBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09801426778490250668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-54449769973204251802017-06-12T20:33:24.823-04:002017-06-12T20:33:24.823-04:00Gilbert Ratchet --
Thank you, no, I did not mean t...Gilbert Ratchet --<br />Thank you, no, I did not mean to post that, how embarrassing. I hope it wasn't up there long. It's notes to myself of things I have to remember as well vague thoughts about posts i want to write in the future. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-13457105048388807142017-06-12T17:37:22.022-04:002017-06-12T17:37:22.022-04:00Susan --
I'm sure you're right about the f...Susan --<br />I'm sure you're right about the family being in denial. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-44371477139057354132017-06-12T17:37:02.684-04:002017-06-12T17:37:02.684-04:00GT --
The psychiatrist, Dr. Breggin, who's bei...GT --<br />The psychiatrist, Dr. Breggin, who's being used as Carter's defense witness, is the type who evidently is always described as "controversial." He once said on Oprah that patients should refuse to take their medication, and was called before some board as a result. <br /><br />And yes, they could add "May cause one to commit manslaughter" to that list of side effects. Amazingly, even though the drug had robed Carter of her empathy, she was still able to feign empathy AND sympathy to all of the other people she texted when she was pretending to be so concerned about Roy's well-being. That Celexa has some complicated side effects. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-59611990749497838872017-06-12T17:27:59.345-04:002017-06-12T17:27:59.345-04:00The girl basically grew up in foster care. After ...The girl basically grew up in foster care. After she was free of her mother, amazingly her health issues cleared up. Of course, the mother denies harming her daughter. To me, the whole family must be in denial.<br /><br />- SusanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-63880498700768038222017-06-12T17:22:11.593-04:002017-06-12T17:22:11.593-04:00http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/michelle-carte... <br /> http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/michelle-carter%E2%80%99s-ssri-hobbled-her-empathy-psychiatrist-says/ar-BBCzaOv<br /><br />According to Carter's defense witness, it was all caused by the drug she was taking (Celexa). Amazing a drug that induces sociopathy - Can you imagine the TV commercial for the drug going over all the side effects at the end<br /><br />May cause:<br />no empathy<br />to feel no love toward someone<br />to make unwise choices <br />bad decision making<br /><br /><br />I have to give it to her lawyer - Find an "expert" witness with an axe to grind to<br />help paint your Client as a victim of a "tragic psychiatric drugging of American children" <br /><br /><br /> <br />GThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03967715560960698018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-70982052564721194892017-06-12T14:08:52.971-04:002017-06-12T14:08:52.971-04:00Susan --
Yes, these people are incredibly dangerou...Susan --<br />Yes, these people are incredibly dangerous. Mrs. Bush should never have been accepted back by her family, she is poison, a sociopath. Her husband was just naive, and the daughter in particular should never have forgiven her. It was all done so Mrs. Bush could get sympathy and attention, that's the way Munchausen-by-proxy works. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-33721567247471812262017-06-12T13:44:22.787-04:002017-06-12T13:44:22.787-04:00These people are dangerous. Another person with t...These people are dangerous. Another person with this disorder is a woman named Kathleen Bush - she intentionally made her daughter sick, having her hospitalized many times, forcing the child to undergo unnecessary procedures. Mrs. Bush went to prison for three years and when she was released, she returned to her husband and sons. The daughter had been removed from the household for her protection. Mother and daughter reunited when the daughter was an adult. The husband seemed to have a hard time believing that his wife could do what she did to their daughter. I always found this case I interesting, bizarre.<br /><br />- SusanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com