tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post3673654017264194819..comments2024-02-17T04:06:00.805-05:00Comments on Just Not Said: A sociopath's ability to performJohn Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-29935111261851681602018-09-18T17:19:44.343-04:002018-09-18T17:19:44.343-04:00JKS --
I'm not a sociopath, but I don't cr...JKS --<br />I'm not a sociopath, but I don't cry when I hear about innocents suffering (as I do practically every day when I look at the news). But otherwise, I agree with you completely about sociopaths. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-65552814440286059422018-09-18T16:44:24.923-04:002018-09-18T16:44:24.923-04:00Psychopaths are defective people. They are missin...Psychopaths are defective people. They are missing the part of the brain that makes most people stop and think "woah, I really shouldn't do this." The part of the brain that makes most people wince, squirm, and shudder when they think about the horrific damage and death that results from their actions. The part of the brain that makes most people cry when they hear about or see innocents suffering.jksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-18540027614059245382016-09-25T11:10:36.798-04:002016-09-25T11:10:36.798-04:00Anon --
Yes, some distinguish between psychopaths ...Anon --<br />Yes, some distinguish between psychopaths (whose conditions are thought to be more organic) and sociopaths (whose psychology is a result of their upbringing). But the two factors are often intermingled (which is why there are thought to be more male than female psychopaths/sociopaths, as part of the input into the equation is hormonal). But as far as the resulting diagnosis, there's no difference in terms of the behavior manifested, so I don't bother to distinguish, and just use "sociopath" for consistency's sake. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-24415379276711356662016-09-25T10:10:21.135-04:002016-09-25T10:10:21.135-04:00What makes him a Sociopath and not a Psychopath? ...What makes him a Sociopath and not a Psychopath? Psychopaths are genetically disposed; whereas sociopaths are learned? My understanding is that sociopaths are "made" and psychopaths are "born"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-44794693328596879852016-01-06T03:57:12.911-05:002016-01-06T03:57:12.911-05:00MarieC --
Interesting. yes, that statement rings t...MarieC --<br />Interesting. yes, that statement rings true, for the most part. I'd say that some sociopaths do confess, when they know they have been caught red-handed, so to speak, and have no chance of getting off. I'm thinking of some serial killers in particular, who've wanted to boast about how prolific they were, and how smart they were to have gotten away with their killings for so long. But I suppose that goes under the heading of 'self serving reasons." <br /><br />Cosby is looking more and more like a sociopath. He always struck me as just a very self-indulgent, uninhibited, somewhat piggish guy in the past. He hasn't really shown some of the other signs of sociopathy, like constant dishonesty on other issues, in fact has ben more honest about some of the social ills that plague blacks than others have been. But it would be near impossible to have drugged and raped all those women without being a sociopath. <br /><br />Yes, they are good at compartmentalization. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-40276621584483468262016-01-06T00:00:30.914-05:002016-01-06T00:00:30.914-05:00I just read this from "Extreme Killing:
&quo...I just read this from "Extreme Killing:<br /><br />"Genuine sociopaths almost never confess after being apprehended. Instead they continue to maintain their innocence, always hoping beyond hope to get off on a technicality, to be granted a new trial, or to appeal their case to a higher level. When authentic sociopaths do confess, it's not out of a need to expiate feelings of guilt, but instead for a self serving reason."<br /><br />Bill Cosby AND Bill Clinton?<br /><br />Also experts at compartmentalization.MarieCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-71744142572293403782015-12-28T14:29:06.124-05:002015-12-28T14:29:06.124-05:00Psychological makeup..hmmmm...
I didn't study...Psychological makeup..hmmmm...<br /><br />I didn't study psychology the way you did, so I dunno about that.<br /><br />I think it's more about reducing the <i>actions</i> the person(s) took. Not necessarily reducing the person(s). In fact, I'm not thinking about them so much at all. Except to acknowledge, that yes, they are people too. Human people, that is, who presumably like the rest of us, also make mistakes -- even if they never apologize, or even own up to their mistakes (They don't have to, because they can't, and it's not their fault because____________.)<br /><br />Because I'm not really thinking about them so much, it's not that important if the reasons that I list for explaining their actions are in fact true. Spending a lot of time analyzing and verifying if the reasons behind the actions are or are not accurate? No thanks!!! Because (especially if I've been able to remove myself from their reach) I'd rather spend my time thinking about other things!!! :-)<br /><br />You can try it if you want. It's highly doubtful that it would change anything (which you may in fact not even want anyway?) or balance any scales of justice, but if you really have been wronged, but it may make you feel a lot better.<br /><br />And it's kind of fun coming up with the excuses, actually.<br /><br /><br />MarieCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-55608131311817592122015-12-27T10:45:54.024-05:002015-12-27T10:45:54.024-05:00Marie --
That's a great trick. by reducing the...Marie --<br />That's a great trick. by reducing the sociopaths to an object of pity rather than a great big bogeyman to be feared and resented, you reduce their power. And you reduce the amount of hatred you feel, which helps you. I suppose I should try that too. I suppose I'd have less motive to write about them then, but I probably would anyway. <br /><br />I actually suggested something along those lines by writing this post, "Why you should never envy a sociopath": <br /><br />http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2014/07/why-you-should-never-envy-sociopath.html<br /><br />By reducing their ability to spark jealousy, you're actually reducing their power even more. And everything I said in that post is true, too: they basically never have peace of mind. <br /><br />And here's another post which talks -- jokingly -- about how they can't help but be what they are: <br /><br />http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2013/09/sociopath-liberation.html<br /><br />(This post is as much about mocking various "liberation" movements as it is about analyzing sociopaths, but it is true that they have no more choice about their psychological makeup than we have about ours. <br />John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-69129014822669855752015-12-27T10:05:26.297-05:002015-12-27T10:05:26.297-05:00There are definitely some semantics but I agree fo...There are definitely some semantics but I agree for the most part with what you are saying. <br /><br />I'm trying a new strategy with sociopaths, narcissists and others. It's called the "Sociopaths are People Too!" trick (see M.E. Smith's "Sociopath World" blog - she talks a lot about how misunderstood sociopaths are... as people!)<br /><br />For this trick, all you have to do is come up with some reasonably convincing reason that whatever the sociopath (narcissist, others) did is not their fault:<br /><br />It's not her/his fault because she/he had a bad childhood.<br />It's not her/his fault because she/he has neurological damage.<br />It's not her/his fault because she/he never learned how to share (anything, including attention) as a child (a sometimes painful albeit important lesson?)<br />It's not her/his fault because he/she was brainwashed by a cult leader.<br />It's not her/his fault because he/she had too much red dye #40 in her/his foods.<br /><br />Even if the premises are absolutely not true, if I can convince myself (and again, I'm playing this trick on myself, not on anyone else I'm trying to convince) then I can move past whatever the person did. <br /><br />And again, you have to be ready to do this. It seriously doubt it would work if you were still feeling the burn of whatever the person did.<br /><br />Performing this trick successfully does not: <br />1) absolve the person of responsibility OR <br />2) mean that you are automatically "besties" (or anything remotely like that) from hence forward<br /><br />But it helps you move on with <i>your</i> life.<br /><br />PS - That Kimmy Schmidt episode #8 really shows how sociopaths (in that case Reverend Richard Wayne Gary Wayne) captivates and manipulates people (and in a comedic way - there was some criticism about this use of comedy actually because sociopathy is not really very funny). Worth watching that one episode and the one after to see an example of how a charismatic (if somewhat obvious and cartoonish) sociopath. <br />MarieCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-19197022105330571822015-12-27T06:35:02.405-05:002015-12-27T06:35:02.405-05:00MarieC --
Cults of personality are always suspicio...MarieC --<br />Cults of personality are always suspicious, especially when they happen in the context of a corporation. But most charismatic leaders of cults are sociopathic as well, especially if they convince their followers to act in any self-destructive way.<br /><br />I read that article, it's pretty good, though I disagree with the characterization of most sociopaths as being intelligent. The come in a full range of IQ's: the smart ones rise to the top of corporations or do well as politicians etc, the dumb ones carjack and rape. Sociopathy simply means the absence of a conscience, not the presence of a great mind. Saying they're all smart is as silly as saying that all brown-haired people are rich. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-55599109424533296872015-12-27T00:16:44.417-05:002015-12-27T00:16:44.417-05:00The fish was almost killed through CiH carelessnes...The fish <i>was</i> almost killed through CiH carelessness.<br /><br />Yikes: <br /><br />"Each time we investigate a sociopath, we find that they always have a little cult group following of spellbound worshippers who consider that particular sociopath to be a “guru” or “prophet.”<br /><br />Of course not run of the mill guru is sociopathic, but imho, this does make sense (as does #8) <br /><br />http://www.hangthebankers.com/10-signs-for-spotting-a-sociopath/<br /><br />It is strange because some characterizations describe sociopaths as being under-educated drifters, and others describe them as otherwise. <br />MarieCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-64656570983410601282015-12-26T23:04:32.822-05:002015-12-26T23:04:32.822-05:00MarieC --
I tend to think that sociopaths and psyc...MarieC --<br />I tend to think that sociopaths and psychopaths are one and the same. <br /><br />Ha, interesting analysis. I'd never thought of the Cat in the Hat in those terms but I suppose you're right. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-32763114166617901292015-12-26T23:00:31.806-05:002015-12-26T23:00:31.806-05:00I was just reading that psychopaths are more elabo...I was just reading that psychopaths are more elaborate planners than sociopaths, but maybe it's splitting hairs really. <br /><br />The Cat in the Hat is a classic impulsive sociopath with zero boundaries.MarieCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-24899421029806983012015-12-24T15:41:38.737-05:002015-12-24T15:41:38.737-05:00Runner Katy --
Thank you. Yes, or at least we see ...Runner Katy --<br />Thank you. Yes, or at least we see certain patterns conformed in each story. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-29503146348650493162015-12-24T14:15:13.716-05:002015-12-24T14:15:13.716-05:00Great find! I hadn't heard about this one, th...Great find! I hadn't heard about this one, thanks for sharing this. We learn from each story, don't we. What a creep!Runner Katynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-84013395680706066842015-12-24T11:02:53.642-05:002015-12-24T11:02:53.642-05:00Dave --
Ha! He's probably thinking he's go...Dave --<br />Ha! He's probably thinking he's going to do a revival of "Prison Break," that former Fox TV show. More likely he'll find himself in "Oz," the old HBO series, in the role of the guy who's forced to wear lipstick.John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-41863705494361968292015-12-24T10:56:11.764-05:002015-12-24T10:56:11.764-05:00just wondering do you think woz will be able to pu...just wondering do you think woz will be able to put on plays where he is headed? <br />he could have a unique interpretation of the ghost of Christmas pastDave Moriartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11280611549973778922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-81805660985882892972015-12-22T12:30:46.172-05:002015-12-22T12:30:46.172-05:00Birdie --
Knowing one personally, over an extended...Birdie --<br />Knowing one personally, over an extended period of time, is inevitably an educational experience. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-27117097193629164382015-12-22T12:14:31.767-05:002015-12-22T12:14:31.767-05:00I read about this guy via another website. By now...I read about this guy via another website. By now, I'm getting pretty good at identifying sociopaths, a skill that I never dreamed I'd have in my lifetime, having acquired this ability from having known some sociopaths.<br />-birdieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com