tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.comments2024-02-17T04:06:00.805-05:00Just Not SaidJohn Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comBlogger22739125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-62968976106557710682024-02-17T04:06:00.805-05:002024-02-17T04:06:00.805-05:00Hi Tim,
Thank you for checking in, and my condole...Hi Tim, <br />Thank you for checking in, and my condolences on your brother Kevin. <br /><br />I had wondered if you'd seen this post. (I hope you realize it was written in a purely laudatory spirit.) Thanks also for the corrections and details on the 10 meter platform story. (To me, the point of that story was mostly just the courage it takes to go headfirst off a 10 meter tower.) That one probably was from a third hand source, but a lot of the stories were second hand (from Pete Orschiedt, a teammate of yours at Florida, and Hess Yntema, a teammate of yours on that Swedish trip). And, I did get to see you myself at AAU Nationals in Dallas in 1972.<br /><br />I wrote about Hess here, if you're interested, he was quite a guy in his own right:<br /><br />https://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2009/07/noblest-guy-i-ever-met.html<br /><br />I also heard a little bit about you from Benn Doyle, whom you may remember:<br /><br />https://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2009/12/what-women-like.html<br /><br />Anyway, I stopped blogging in 2020, so won't be writing any more posts. But I did feel that yours was such a fun and inspiring story that it needed to be preserved. Again, thanks for checking in.<br /> John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-74485094871596177112024-02-17T01:36:59.760-05:002024-02-17T01:36:59.760-05:00Grady's John. From down under,
Just letting yo...Grady's John. From down under,<br />Just letting you know that yes, little Brother Kevin, did put me onto your article before he passed away. <br />Some readers might interpret me as a rare but fun-loving animal; perhaps we should get David Attenborough involved.<br /><br />Because of the many comments, I feel like I should chime in as an interested reader.<br />No blame on you John as we have never met and you are just retelling my story from others' "stories", some of whom I have never and want to be known as Anonymous. I won't fight you on the image portrayed (I laundry a long time ago that is humans. We have to be responsible, not only for the image we project. , but for how others can. interpret it) but remember what you're writing is from 3rd 4th or 5th parties. That might be considered hearsay. and it is as I remember much of it, qui8te differen. But stories get altered whrn told over and over again;"facts" change. No drama here for me John, But of note. and a case in point, the 10 meter diving incident wasn't at West Point training camp., It was in the Olympic. swimming hall. I was in the pool warming up with my teammates from both the men's women's team. And I made a comment hanging onto the gutter but out loud. That if I did well in this competition I would throw 1 and 1/2 from that 10 meter diving platform. I had never attempted one. After my events were over, I was sitting with other American swimmers watching the continuing competition. One of the girls on the team leaned forward and looked across several other swimmers to ask me "Hey Tim, how aboput thatone and a half?' I responded, "You're not going to hold me to that?" She said "Yeah." At that point I said "Well, I don't have a suit." Within three seconds a male swimmer had fished a suit from his povket and hit me in the chest with un." The rest is pretty much as you wrote it up. Except that it wasn't a perfect one-and-a-half somersault as someone had mentioned. Hobie Billingsley and Ron O'Brian, the two Olympic diving coaches gave me five and a half and sixes for the dive. There are many more details to fill in the blanks and make the story more interesting but I'll save that for the book. I'll never write.<br />Thank you for your interest in my life. But if you want to write anymore, go straight to the source Of course, of course.<br />Tim mckee. +61 411489 799.Tim McKeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904985843116318500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-76346540752460705232024-01-30T18:41:50.362-05:002024-01-30T18:41:50.362-05:00Gethin --
I'm a little embarrassed to say I kn...Gethin --<br />I'm a little embarrassed to say I know little of Wittgenstein, my knowledge of (and interest tin formal philosophy) is weak. But yes, being able to read people well is the opposite of Aspergers. And yes, I've had that same impression, Aspies tend to just talk at you, without ever really paying close attention to what you say. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-21624216177144298812024-01-30T13:29:05.182-05:002024-01-30T13:29:05.182-05:00I keep seeing Ludwig Wittgenstein on these 'fa...I keep seeing Ludwig Wittgenstein on these 'famous Aspies' lists. Plausible, if you don't know much about him. Then I saw this:<br /><br />"Wittgenstein had an extraordinary gift for divining the thoughts of the person with whom he was engaged in discussion. While the other struggled to put his thought into words, Wittgenstein would perceive what it was and state it for him." <br />LUDWIG WITTGENSTEIN: A MEMOIR. NORMAN MALCOLM, 1958<br /><br />Whenever I've been acquainted with Aspies, I've had the feeling of being talked at rather than with. If they say anything about you, or otherwise notice you, it's only because it's somehow in their interests. From Norman Malcolm's description, Wittgenstein sounds like the opposite of an Aspie.<br /><br />- Gethin Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-46276270455139258382024-01-22T09:30:45.806-05:002024-01-22T09:30:45.806-05:00Gethin --
Honestly, I know of no resources to help...Gethin --<br />Honestly, I know of no resources to help those who have to deal with either Aspies or Borderlines regularly. I too have seen much print devoted to helping Aspies and talking about how hard it is for them to live in a neurotypical world. (Though I've never seen articles devoted to sympathising with borderlines, I wouldn't doubt that there are some.) And the only articles I've seen about living with Aspies tend to be along the lines of, how to help them. While I agree that it's hard to deal with Aspies, anreven harder to live with them due to their rigidity and so on, I've never felt that they were bad people (with a few exceptions, like Adam Lanza). Borderlines, on the other hand, are rightly classified as one of the Cluster B (character) disorders. The only person I know who's married to a Borderline basically has Stockholm Syndrome at this point. He's gotten so used to constantly mollifying and assuaging her that he seems to think it's normal at this point, and he pretty much goes along with her plans to try to cozy up to his childless rich relatives in an effort to get into their wills, mostly because he wants to stave off her temper tantrums. And it's a pity, because that's the exact opposite of anything he would have done before he was married to her. Anyway, sorry, I know of no resources of the kind you're looking for. Which isn't to say they're not out there.John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-7145953641389515892024-01-22T06:56:23.012-05:002024-01-22T06:56:23.012-05:00Hey John, I hope you're well. I'm turning ...Hey John, I hope you're well. I'm turning to you because I don't know where else to turn. Are there any resources to help people who have to deal with Aspies and Borderlines on a regular basis? The website 'Heartless Aspergers' sadly got taken down. Every time I try Googling, there's all this sympathetic stuff about how much the Aspie/Borderline is suffering, but little on the havoc they wreak on others. I'm looking for a book or website to help, if you can recommend anything?<br />- Gethin Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-84320182262742224362024-01-04T01:44:59.393-05:002024-01-04T01:44:59.393-05:00Anon --
Thank you for that confirmation. A lot of ...Anon --<br />Thank you for that confirmation. A lot of poeple would say we're crazy for thinking this, but I keep seeing the correlation, even since I stopped writing this blog. Interesting that you've learned to avoid men with this trait. You may have dodged a bullet this way (both metaphorically and literally).John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-49496636403012166052024-01-03T23:52:04.507-05:002024-01-03T23:52:04.507-05:00I've ALWAYS thought this. I avoid it when dati...I've ALWAYS thought this. I avoid it when dating men. It just doesn't sit right with me. It's not just serial killers either, just look at some notorious murder cases, tons of thin lips. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-639649901380581872023-12-21T05:38:58.663-05:002023-12-21T05:38:58.663-05:00F*ck charles manson.F*ck charles manson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-17260771976887097062023-09-29T16:54:05.949-04:002023-09-29T16:54:05.949-04:00GT --
Thank you for the link, just read the articl...GT --<br />Thank you for the link, just read the article. I agree, Gypsy Rose was a victim of her mother. But at the same time, as the unloved daughter (basically, prop) of a sociopath, she was more than likely going to be a sociopath herself. And that bit about her talking her then boyfriend into murdering her mother is awfully telling. It takes an extraordinarily high degree of manipulativeness to be able to get someone else to do something so self-destructive (as well as destructive). Gypsy Rose has to be a sociopath. <br /><br />Be happy you don't have the "strength" to be able to talk someone into something like that. (And it's not "strength" in any good sense of the term, it's simply manipulativeness.John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-23781342107541762842023-08-08T19:08:09.962-04:002023-08-08T19:08:09.962-04:00I'd mainly agree about Ali himself, but kind o...I'd mainly agree about Ali himself, but kind of forgetting that he often voted Republican, and endorsed Reagan in 1984. <br /><br />I don't seem to recall the Gipper refusing that endorsement. ;)Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271250698430923736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-74521974830598501132023-07-24T11:01:44.887-04:002023-07-24T11:01:44.887-04:00Anon --
Very good point. (Though you might put it ...Anon --<br />Very good point. (Though you might put it in past tense now that she's dead.)John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-55237762345047910962023-07-24T08:43:46.323-04:002023-07-24T08:43:46.323-04:00I agree! I think she made up the story of abuse by...I agree! I think she made up the story of abuse by her father. She literally smiles and laughs whenever someone mentions her terrible upbringing and she gives all this guru like advice all the time. Classic pathological lying narcissist Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-11364778716090154522023-07-16T22:20:58.603-04:002023-07-16T22:20:58.603-04:00Good point! LolGood point! LolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-83268336603104088152023-06-27T06:27:32.753-04:002023-06-27T06:27:32.753-04:00Anon --
Be specific -- about what?Anon --<br />Be specific -- about what?John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-25953351109220104632023-06-27T06:20:24.724-04:002023-06-27T06:20:24.724-04:00What a load of rubbish. You obviously have no idea...What a load of rubbish. You obviously have no idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-5703213332139343522023-06-04T14:40:11.461-04:002023-06-04T14:40:11.461-04:00Anon --
Thank you, "Lizard lips," well p...Anon --<br />Thank you, "Lizard lips," well put. As in reptilian.John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-79337223134256591462023-06-04T14:28:15.787-04:002023-06-04T14:28:15.787-04:00So glad I came across this blog! Something I'v...So glad I came across this blog! Something I've noticed for ages and this type of physionogamy definitely applies to a wide sector of these creatures. My term for them is 'lizard lips', they remind me of the mouths that lizards (obvs), crocodiles or sharks have. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-65341238537251404562023-05-19T00:13:31.425-04:002023-05-19T00:13:31.425-04:00Anon --
The article is full of examples of the ty...Anon -- <br />The article is full of examples of the types of social cluelessness and lack of ability to relate to others that people with Aspergers show. The answer to your question is, all of the above.<br /><br />If you want more examples of Aspergerian behaviour, look here:<br /><br />https://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2011/08/aspergers-syndrome.htmlJohn Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-37015243845357130842023-05-18T21:11:37.529-04:002023-05-18T21:11:37.529-04:00What do you mean by "that peculiar form of st...What do you mean by "that peculiar form of stupidity associated with Aspergers"? Can you please give examples?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-76801894727672577362023-05-03T09:06:37.754-04:002023-05-03T09:06:37.754-04:00Gethin --
Just took a look at the video. There'...Gethin --<br />Just took a look at the video. There's a lot of overlap between different syndromes, though Aspergers and PPD aren't two that ever would have occurred to me. There is supposed to be strong co-morbidity between narcissism and paranoia, and I've witnessed thane in person. That one makes sense, in that with both groups, it's "all about them," as the psychiatrist in the video said about PPD. (And to answer your question, no, I hadn't been familiar with PPD as a separate syndrome; was quite familiar with the trait, and how it manifested itself elsewhere, but not as an official syndrome of its own.)<br /><br />I think what I said before is that Aspies are LIKE narcissists in that they can't admit when they're wrong. They aren't actually narcissists, and give off a whole different vibe. All the narcissists I know would give off an air of being quite pleased with themselves all the time, which Aspies don't. <br /><br />Totally agree about those who can't/don't have fun disapproving of others who do. The classic example was of old people disapproving of the "morality" of young people who have sex (of whatever kind) because they themselves are past the age where it's possible. A lot of leftist politics has at its root this sort of jealousy: of good looks, of brains, of athletic success, of money, etc. Look into the early lives of a lot of leftists and you'll find this "root cause."John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-18646060382918600802023-05-03T07:07:40.138-04:002023-05-03T07:07:40.138-04:00You're right. I think you mentioned before tha...You're right. I think you mentioned before that Aspies are narcissists, who can never admit to any flaws. I'd be wasting my time and money. <br /><br />Have you read Robert Greene? He styles himself as the "Modern-day Machiavelli", so I figured he's right up your street. He covers narcissists, wilful depressives and similar losers in his books. In one of them (I think 'The 50th Law'?), he says that people who excessively moralise are invariably people who don't have fun in their own lives, so they begrudge fun in others. Since they can't explicitly say that, they do it indirectly by incessantly moralising. I can tell you now that the aforementioned woman definitely doesn't have fun, and probably secretly hates people who do. Greene's advice for dealing with such types is simply avoiding them, since they'll go out of their way to make your life as miserable as theirs.<br /><br />On a slightly different note: do you know much about Paranoid Personality Disorder? A friend, who also knows this very troubled woman, reckons she fits the diagnostic criteria for PPD. The main reason she thinks that is because the woman often interprets neutral or friendly actions as having been hostile, and reacts with actual hostility - which is baffling for those who don't know what is going on. <br /><br />I listened to a video (less than 5 minutes long) by a doctor on PPD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drzKThkBLOc<br /><br />Does that sound like people with Aspergers? Based on what I've seen, I think there's some overlap between Aspergers and PPD. <br /><br />- Gethin Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-33459809445565767202023-04-29T18:29:52.873-04:002023-04-29T18:29:52.873-04:00Gethin --
Nice thought, and if she actually read i...Gethin --<br />Nice thought, and if she actually read it, and took it to heart, it could make a difference. But I honestly doubt she'd read it, given that she likely thinks she doesn't need it. And there's a good probability she would feel tremendously insulted that someone felt she needed to read it, and would focus her anger on that anonymous gift-giver. So, personally, I wouldn't bother. Her problems aretooc deep-seated to be solved by the presentation of one bookJohn Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-41100392113343719052023-04-29T18:02:34.972-04:002023-04-29T18:02:34.972-04:00Should I buy Dale Carnegie's book and anonymou...Should I buy Dale Carnegie's book and anonymously slip it into her mailbox? Even though she is horrible to everyone, I feel sorry for her as she is clearly suffering. Since she always blames everyone else for her own failure to get on in society, she is clearly incapable of self-reflection. But maybe if an anonymous person sent her a book, she might read it.<br /><br />Or do you think it wouldn't make a difference? <br /><br />- Gethin Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-5351479007235732622023-04-29T17:28:29.302-04:002023-04-29T17:28:29.302-04:00Gethin --
Agree, it's not histrionic personali...Gethin --<br />Agree, it's not histrionic personality disorder. She's attempting to show people how good she is, hoping to win approbation that way, but as an Aspire, she simply has no clue about how to go about doing that. (Nor would she be inclined to do any soul-searching, as that would require some self-awareness and an ability to admit where she's wrong, two things Aspies totally lack.)<br />John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.com