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Wednesday, June 10, 2015

Statistics never mentioned, Part III

According to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention:

For many years, the suicide rate has been about 4 times higher among men than among women. In 2013, men had a suicide rate of 20.2, and women had a rate of 5.5 [per 100,000 people]. Of those who died by suicide in 2013, 77.9% were male and 22.1% were female.

Imagine if these numbers were reversed. The outcry from the likes of the New York Times and the Washington Post would be tremendous. They would anoint this a national crisis, and wail endlessly about the horrible pressures of being a woman. We would hear endlessly about the despair of women who must live in a man's world.

The Times and Post would leave no doubt that sexism was a factor in driving these poor women to suicide. 

But, the numbers are not reversed. So….crickets.


jova said...

good point

related to this topic, men suffer from fatal occupational injuries at a much higher rate than women , by a factor of 12 to 1 . This could be one reason women earn less, they choose safer jobs while men often will take riskier jobs for more money.

more worrisome is the current trend of drugging our young male students across America.
By the time they reach high school, 20 percent of all American boys will be diagnosed with ADHD. Millions of those boys will be prescribed amphetamines to "normalize" them. Many of those boys will suffer serious side effects from those drugs....most of those boys are being drugged for no good reason—simply for being boys. most of the teachers are women, there's been a general girlification of elementary school, where any kind of disruptive behavior is cause for treatment. Now go get a doctor and get on medication so you'll 'behave".

John Craig said...

Jova --
You're so right. What's called ADD or ADHD is simply, as you say, being a boy. I remember reading once that 11% of all boys who've been on Ritalin suffer some form of hallucination when coming off the drug. That means that the drug is driving 1 in 9 boys who take it into, literally, a form of psychosis.

I actually think that ADD confers a strong evolutionary benefit, which I wrote about here:

(We didn't spend four million years of evolution being molded into creatures who would sit still in a classroom for seven hours a day.

Steven said...

You're totally right. Same with white/black suicide rate.

Well said.

John Craig said...

Thank you Steven.

Steven said...

Reading Jova's comment and your reply, I am reminded Christina Hoff Sommers book 'the war against boys' and this article:

CHS is so good.

John Craig said...

Steven --
Yes, CHS exudes common sense in all of her writings, that piece included.

Chris Mallory said...

The two age groups with the highest rate of suicides are 45-64 and over 85. I would imagine most of them are white guys either facing financial difficulties or health problems. I can see the up side of ending it quickly over spending your last days in pain in some hospice with 3rd world health aides letting you sit in your own waste for hours on end.

John Craig said...

Chris --
I can too, especially if it's a terminal medical issue.

But, that's a separate point from the one I was making in this post.

Anonymous said...


To be truly subversive I suggest you review the culture of critique.....

John Craig said...

Anon --
People seem to want to push me in that direction. Is this High Arka?

bsreslm said...

What is that please? Ive never heard of it.

John Craig said...

Bsreslm --
Look up Kevin MacDonald on wikipedia. He wrote three books about Judaism-as-evolutionary-strategy. Culture of Critique was one of them.

Pavonine99 said...

I wonder if this statistic doesn't have something to do with the methods suicidal man and women tend to use. Men are more likely to shoot themselves, hang themselves, or jump-all very difficult to survive. Women are more likely to cut their wrists or overdose, and those attempts rarely end with a fatality.

John Craig said...

Pavonine --
You're absolutely right. There are actually statistics about the percentage of successful attempts and men rank much higher than women on that, precisely for the reasons you mention. I thought about mentioning that in the post, but figured that would detract from the main point, which is that if the proportion of suicides for each gender was reversed, the media would never shut up about it, and would use it as "proof" of the sexism endemic in this country. But yes, you're completely right.

Women are said to stage attempts as a "cry for help," hoping to be rescued, or wanting to make a dramatic point but not really die. Of course, that's not something the media wants to publicize either.

Pavonine99 said...

That could be true about women trying to make a dramatic point, I've wondered about that too. It could also be that women in general are less impulsive than men, so they plan their suicides out more and opt for methods that they think will be quick and painless. Like most people, though, they don't realize that it's very difficult to hit the arteries in the wrist or to fatally overdose on prescription pills.

John Craig said...

Pavonine --
I"m not sure about the impulsive thing. For instance, that statistic about the rate of violence in lesbian households vs. in hetero households would indicate women lash out more impulsively, since violence in a domestic situation tends to be an impulsive act. Or when you think about which sex has a harder time resisting just one more chocolate bonbon, etc. I'm not saying women are necessarily MORE impulsive, just that I'm not so sure they're less so.

And yes, slitting the wrist is a very ineffective way to go. Slashed femoral arteries and carotid arteries result in far more deaths.

MarieCurie said...

Agree to disagree, I don't think that there are "crickets."

It's horrible when anyone kills themselves.

22 veterans a day here in the U.S., for example.

Former Pro Football players w/TBI shooting themselves in the chest so they can preserve their damaged brains for science, for example.

John Craig said...

MarieCurie --
No question it's horrible whenever anyone commits suicide. But I'm referring to just one element of the statistics, the difference in the relative frequency with which this occurs between men and women. And I suspect that if that statistic were reversed, we'd hear more about the gender gap (we hear basically nothing about it now).