tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post7469228248836414030..comments2024-02-17T04:06:00.805-05:00Comments on Just Not Said: The roots of Frances Lear's outspoken leftismJohn Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-89140444708936501782016-09-08T17:41:40.062-04:002016-09-08T17:41:40.062-04:00Allan --
I didn't realize you had a blog! I...Allan --<br />I didn't realize you had a blog! I'll have to check in from time to time. Just read the Norman Lear post, agree with you about that. I'm 62, so remember All in the Family but I was never a fan of the show, only watched it rarely. I know we were supposed to laugh at Archie Bunker's bigotry, but somehow, even at the time, I didn't find the show all that funny (and I was more or less apolitical at the time). Normal Lear's own background is telling though, you're right about that. And he was basically everything that's wrong with America: let's laugh at those provincial, unenlightened bigots (even if everything they're saying is actually more factual than what we believe in). <br /><br />We overlap in our taste in women, but not completely. Anita Bryant did nothing for me, neither did Cher, neither did Raquel Welch, to tell he truth. I liked Farrah Fawcett a lot, and Lee Meriweather, and Morticia Addams. You know who else was really attractive from that era, though she never achieved sex symbol status? Barbara Feldon, Agent 99 from Get Smart. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-31777828425500505902016-09-08T16:18:21.838-04:002016-09-08T16:18:21.838-04:00Here's my take on Norman Lear:
https://quarte...Here's my take on Norman Lear:<br /><br />https://quartermainsquarter.blogspot.com/2016/09/all-in-dysfunctional-family_8.htmlQuartermainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04299225027446970818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-20197490273423063992016-04-02T07:20:04.088-04:002016-04-02T07:20:04.088-04:00Justin --
Thank you.
I'd say you were probabl...Justin --<br />Thank you.<br /><br />I'd say you were probably an expert on the topic by the time you were ten, you just didn't realize it at that point. I gained my knowledge of them by being exposed to one at age 25 for six months, then realizing there was something really wrong with her, going to the UCLA psychology library and looking up "pathological liar," and then reading what was available there for about five hours one fascinating Saturday afternoon. Ever since, I've been a "connoisseur" of them, so to speak. I had a boss on Wall Street who was also one, but with him I was well aware of what he was, though I didn't dare talk about it to others. He seemed to have most of them fooled, though.<br /><br />Thanks to the internet, the subject IS becoming better known, but it seems to me that an awful lot of them are in plain sight and ply their various trades to adoring multitudes. <br /><br />John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-40052118980857647352016-04-02T05:39:17.001-04:002016-04-02T05:39:17.001-04:00I'm basically an expert on the topic by now, a...I'm basically an expert on the topic by now, and your material is easily one of the best resources online about it. I don't understand why only now this subject is becoming well known.Justinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-41233198853145676602016-04-02T03:42:43.023-04:002016-04-02T03:42:43.023-04:00Justin --
I get the sense a fair number of people ...Justin --<br />I get the sense a fair number of people come here because I've written about sociopathy but get turned off because of what I write about race and politics. They think, oh he's a nice guy and insightful about sociopaths but a horrible racist. But in fact I just write with the same honesty about both topics. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-66815983746596391262016-04-01T22:41:05.800-04:002016-04-01T22:41:05.800-04:00Yes, I was googling stuff about Richard Matt to se...Yes, I was googling stuff about Richard Matt to see if anyone had an analysis. But the other content such as political stuff is right up my alley too.Justinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-2150638711172807262016-04-01T19:29:01.835-04:002016-04-01T19:29:01.835-04:00Justin --
Sorry to hear about the childhood, but y...Justin --<br />Sorry to hear about the childhood, but you sound like a survivor. I'm sure your high IQ and the money you make help. <br /><br />I guess it's the talk about sociopaths here that drew you to this blog…..John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-10788927575570188722016-04-01T13:55:10.472-04:002016-04-01T13:55:10.472-04:00Yes, sociopath dad and narcissist mom.
I mean th...Yes, sociopath dad and narcissist mom. <br /><br />I mean they basically destroyed by childhood and kept me isolated for many years. My dad died some years ago and I have no contact with my mother. I have a high IQ and work in the technology industry, which has sort of saved me.Justinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-86710536442610213362016-04-01T13:31:08.834-04:002016-04-01T13:31:08.834-04:00Justin --
In that case, you're right. I just d...Justin --<br />In that case, you're right. I just did the lazy man's thing of glancing at Wikipedia and judging from that. Norman Lear's mother does sound like a less than affectionate mother. Some of that stuff could be passed off as a biting sense of humor, but sending him off to live with the grandparents is definitely a sure sign. <br /><br />Your parents are a narcissist and sociopath? You "sound" normal to me, but that background obviously must have affected you strongly. No one escapes from that scot free, but have you been able to distance yourself since?John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-36257086124929498332016-04-01T13:10:54.171-04:002016-04-01T13:10:54.171-04:00Well, the New York Times, in reviewing his autobio...Well, the New York Times, in reviewing his autobiography, says his mother was "No day at the beach", and he called her a sourpuss in an old interview from 2001. And the piece below from Jewish Journal relates the following: <br /><br />Norman once called his mother in Bridgeport, Conn., and said, “Mother, I just got this call. The Television Academy is forming a Hall of Fame. And the first inductees are going to be General Sarnoff and Edward R. Murrow and William Paley and Milton Berle and Paddy Chayefsky and Lucille Ball — and me.”<br /><br />There was about a two-second beat, and she said, “Listen, if that's what they want to do, who am I to say?”<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/books/review/norman-lears-even-this-i-get-to-experience.html<br />http://www.jewishjournal.com/marty_kaplan/article/if_norman_lear_at_92_is_what_92_is_ill_have_what_hes_having<br /><br />I looked at the first pages of his autobiography on Google Books. He talks about his mother dropping him on his head while bathing him in the kitchen sink at 3 months old, then running to the neighbor's to figure out what to do. Later she would retell the story because she thought it was funny. She also sent him to live with his grandparents and rarely saw him for some years.<br /><br />I haven't seen All in the Family, though, so maybe I'm overreaching in my assessment. <br /><br />My parents have these disorders (narcissism and sociopathy), which made it harder for me to perceive because it seemed normal.Justinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-29700797365956625072016-04-01T12:31:49.706-04:002016-04-01T12:31:49.706-04:00Justin --
Just looked up Norman's bio on Wiki ...Justin --<br />Just looked up Norman's bio on Wiki myself. I completely agree that his con man father was a criminal sociopath. Didn't find anything out about his mother to indicate narcissism, though. Norman Lear later said that he had based the character of Edith Bunker on his mother, and I never saw Edith as a narcissistic personality. <br /><br />I've met my share of disordered people in person, so find them all too easy to believe. The amazing thing is what a high percentage of famous people are disordered, and often sociopathic. It's hard not to come to the conclusion that being sociopath, or at least a narcissist, helps one succeed. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-55861861965480895152016-04-01T12:16:30.928-04:002016-04-01T12:16:30.928-04:00John,
Out of curiosity I looked up Norman's b...John,<br /><br />Out of curiosity I looked up Norman's biography, and it appears he did indeed have a narcissist mother (and criminal sociopath dad). So yes, theory confirmed. <br /><br />Disordered people and their patterns are really not that complicated once you start reading about them. It's just so hard to believe at first that these are real humans walking the earth.Justinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-5947597299470898072016-04-01T07:29:40.464-04:002016-04-01T07:29:40.464-04:00Justin --
That's interesting, thank you. I had...Justin --<br />That's interesting, thank you. I hadn't even considered the angle of what Norman Lear's angle/motivation on all of this was. I also hadn't really thought about what his codependency would entail or where it came from, but that makes sense. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-21866608165463300572016-04-01T00:24:11.726-04:002016-04-01T00:24:11.726-04:00In response to Dave's question, the guys who w...In response to Dave's question, the guys who want to marry this type of woman were raised by narcissistic personality disorder mothers and have unresolved issues. They are natural codependents for whom the match feels familiar and natural. My impression is the guys who stick it out long term then turn to self-medication with alcohol.Justinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-45473388691847178592016-03-31T09:17:43.984-04:002016-03-31T09:17:43.984-04:00Dave --
God question. I Google-imaged "young ...Dave --<br />God question. I Google-imaged "young Frances Lear," and she was good-looking, but not so good-looking as to compensate for her personality. I'd have to imagine that she was one of those who was good at putting her best foot forward and convincing potential beaus that she was something other than what she actually was. John Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08729625146043379286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794535954827182754.post-3051986789516410942016-03-31T08:51:59.887-04:002016-03-31T08:51:59.887-04:00how could three different guys want to marry this ...how could three different guys want to marry this chick? I figure it would take about an hour for her true colors to emerge and most guys would run as fast as they could to get away <br /><br />in general I would imagine narcissistic, alcoholic victims of sexual abuse don't make the best marriage partners. <br /> <br /> <br />Dave Moriartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11280611549973778922noreply@blogger.com