Islamic State warrior Omar Mateen, having single-handedly won the Battle of Pulse, is now in Paradise, enjoying the ministrations of 72 virgins.
But are those virgins women, or men?
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Omar's final destination is not the Muslim Paradise that he possibly expected. He's in the worst place imaginable, there for eternity.
- Susan
That was decidedly wicked. :-)
~ otherwise known previously as 'D,' the admirer of your analysis of psychopathy.
Ambivalent Misanthrope --
I like your new name.
(And thank you.)
Male sex with teenage boys is an accepted practice in Afghanistan.- they call it Bacha bazi.
surprisingly Omar would not be considered homosexual in Afghanistan if he acted as the penetrator. It is common for men to have teenage lovers. The practice of "bacha bazi" -- paedophilic boy play, is an ancient custom in Afghanistan. Bacha bazi, which the US State Department has called a "culturally sanctioned form of male rape" is not considered homosexual activity for the penetrator.
'owning' more than one boy is seen as a display of both power and wealth among some Afghan war lords
Maybe Omar was looking for a Bacha bazi , which would not be considered a homosexual activity in his culture.
U.S. soldiers were instructed to ignore the sexual abuse of boys by Afghan allies, even when it occurred on military bases, according to a report in the New York Times. looking the other way was designed to maintain good standing with the U.S.-trained Afghan police and militia in a country where the practice of bacha bazi (boy play) is widespread, especially among the warlords we are supporting.
Jova --
Yes, some of the Arab attitudes toward what we call homosexuality are closer to the ethos you see in American prisons, where there's nothing wrong with being a "giver" but if you're a "taker" you're considered a punk.
That's certainly possible with Mateen, though it appeared that he was looking for a more regular homosexual hookup than he was for a bacha bazi/child molester type of relationship. He cruised gay bars and gay dating apps, including "Jack'd," which doesn't sound places a child molester would be drawn to. I know one soldier who was in Afghanistan who told me he saw "tea boys" around, and most of them, at least the ones he saw hanging around the Afghan National Army guys, appeared to be in the 10 to 14 year age range.
many of the young gays in America look better than the Bacha bazi teenage boys available in Afghanistan.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3384027/Women-children-boys-pleasure-secret-shame-Afghanistan-s-bacha-bazi-dancing-boys-dress-like-little-girls-make-skirts-abused-paedophiles.html
If Omar was seeking to penetrate the young men he met , it certainly fits in with Afghan cultural practices. Only in America is sex with a 15 year old considered child molestation. The age of consent is often 14. The 18-21 year old gays in America often try to appear younger than they are to get picked up. The typical gay man has hundreds of partners by the time he is 29. Yet somehow none have come out yet.
I am still not convinced Omar was gay, he seems to have been planning his attack for some time and may have been trying to scope the place out and meet some people to avoid drawing too much suspicion. It also appears he was never successful picking up gay men, which means he was not actually trying to hook-up with any. If you can't get a BJ at a gay club he must not have tried very hard. The narrative the media and democrats are pushing is to discredit him as an Islamist terrorist. Thus they will try and portray him as a conflicted homophobe. But their is actually overwhelming evidence he was radicalized by his father, a Taliban supporter. Omar celebrated the 2001 terrorist attacks when he was 14 years old, so his anti-american feelings go back to when he was quite young.
Jova --
Yes, those pictures are pretty grotesque, though some of it is the makeup.
I think it's pretty clear Omar was gay. If you take a look at the previous post, there was more indication than just his visiting the gay bar(s). His own first wife said he was (and she should know), she said his father accused him of it (in front of her), and Mateen supposedly used gay dating apps. That all adds up to, gay.
Interesting about the age of consent elsewhere, I hadn't realized that, thank you.
Omar's suspected bipolar syndrome seems to fit in with some of his actions. Bipolar syndrome seems to be slightly more prevalent in gay men (like Stephen Fry) the same way autistics born female have a slightly higher incidence of being FTM transgendered. Before he went on his rampage, he pledged allegiance to hezbollah, al qaeda, and ISIS even thought all three of them hate each other. Plus the idea of getting into heaven to be rewarded for eternity by 72 virgins (even if they are men) and drinking unlimited ginger water and wine (even though the Quran prohibits alcohol, heaven has it supposedly) being taken seriously, like Omar believed that would literally happen if he went and shot up a bunch of gay people, points to not being grounded in reality but a manic delusion. As you said, I also would like to investigate the mindset of suicide bombers or other radical muslim shooters who go in knowing they will die, even the female ones (they exist).
-Ga
Ga --
Interesting, I'd never known that bipolar syndrome was more common among gays, or that autistics were more likely to be FTM transgendered.
I've heard since then that Mateen may not have been gay after all, that that was a rumor started by people who wanted to discredit him somehow. I don't know which is true.
I think mania may be involved in suicide bombers or radical islamists. Not all, maybe some have actual bipolar or manic psychosis, but others indoctrinated mania or fantasy ideology is needed. Literally believing you will get endless sex and booze in Heaven after blowing yourself up sounds like a stupid fantasy, and they really do believe that will happen.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/quran-scholar-martyrs-get-raisins-not-virgins/
The word for virgin may be a mistranslated for raisin. Imagine blowing yourself up, and getting to heaven, God greets you with a tray of 72 raisins saying "Enjoy your reward!".
Would there be less suicide bombers if we got the word out? They would think twice about doing it when they could always go to the grocery store and spend 6 bucks for a pound, instead of thousands of dollars on expensive explosives. Heck, you sometimes wonder how insurgents waste so much for a 2000 dollar ak-47 and all the ammo (its a dollar for 4 or 5 bullet usually, not including magazines) instead of spending it on bread, water, and raisins (or buying grapes and drying it out in the hot sun, its cheaper that way).
And if they knew it were raisins, not virgins, you'd have to be pretty bipolar or indoctrinated to get all excited over them. Like, woohoo, 72 raisins, they must be really good, why else would God choose them as a reward?
About Omar being gay or straight. I think it's possible he may have not been really gay the way Ian McKellan is, that he was just sorta on the down low, not unheard of in sexually repressed people. Some Catholic priests who were involved in the scandal may not be gay, but are quite repressed so they go after young males since they think they won't get found out. If it was all a rumor and he had no gay activity, he still had some connection specifically to them. Maybe all his dating app activity and hanging out at the bars were for scouting out a place to attack.
-Ga
Ga --
I doubt that there's bipolar involved with suicide bombers since a lot of them would back out then, maybe during their depressive phase. The thing about being a suicide bomber is that it requires some planning ahead of time, and keeping one's mind made up for that period of time. A bipolar would, I think, be far more likely to waver in his conviction. And during his depressive phase he would be far more likely to doubt that he was going to paradise with its 72 virgins.
I"m agnostic on whether Mateen was gay. Certainly the fact that he chose a gay bar to attack shows that it's at least possible; often people hate most in others what they dislike about themselves.
Bipolar 2 may not be possible in some cases then since it's so rapidly cycling. Bipolar 1, the phases last several months to half a year and so it could be more plausible in some individuals at least. Maybe Mateen attacking a bar directly with guns blazing is more fitting with his suspected condition, suicide bombing requires more planning, with consideration or where and when to strike for political aims by professional groups. A lone wolf like Omar fits more with this than a trained recruit from ISIS.
Mateen wasn't an offical member of any organized terrorist group, he was a fanboy who believed he could go out being one and pledged to multiple, some who are enemies of eachother, before his attack. Also depressives could be an easy target, IF they already are incredibly religious. A group of people who can be coaxed into throwing their life away for 72 virgins/raisins, that is, if they can even leave their bedrooms, so you may be right about that part, but it gets muddy based on how it is interpreted. The same information can be read two different ways, the facts can cause different interpretation. Who knows, there is a connection between violence and bipolar syndrome, less frequent than autism or schizophrenia, but there is an increased risk, but the type of violence may or may not be conducive to being a suicide bomver. I still think there could be an aspect of acquired mania or at least a type of perversion in their mind involved to make them think 72 virgins (or raisins) are really waiting for them on the other side. It could not the bipolar itself but the mindset caused by the symptoms indirectly. An "accidental psychopathology".
A similar idea I've pondered are the autistic mass shootings. Why guns, why in the USA more than other countries (aside from the availability of guns)? One thing in common with them is they've read previous articles and stories about other shooters and want to copy them. Like how severely autistic people repeat phrases from commercials randomly, the partial desire to mimic may influence them. The traditional symptoms of autism like hand flapping or whatever don't cause the mass shooting, the high levels of anxiety and frustration make them prone to violent behavior, but this is not unusual for many disorders, but a mindset they develop from their symptoms makes them more susceptible to this particular method of mass shooting instead of, like, using the unabomber's method.
I guess we will have to leave the part about him being gay or not alone just for now. Like Michael Jackson, his scandal is something I am completely agnostic about. I don't think I will ever find out on my own a definite answer whether he was innocent or not, so I stopped trying to pursue any. I once joked to myself it's a good argument for an agnostic missionary if they ever would exist, God is like Michael Jackson, you don't know if it's true or not so you gotta remain agnostic.
This was quite long, you don't have to reply to each thing I wrote. It's okay if you do only the parts that interests you enough or don't reply.
-Ga
Ga --
"Fanboy" is a good description of a lot of the US-homegrown terrorists, many of whom became radicalized online. And you're right, there may be a copycat element to their killings, the same way there is with some of the autistic mass shootings in the US by non-Muslim terrorists.
BTW, I'm not agnostic about Michael Jackson at all. I think there's exactly zero doubt that he was a child molester who liked young boys between the ages of around 9 and 13. The lawsuits and private payoffs and circumstantial evidence and his lack of interest in females or men his own age all add up to a mountain of evidence it's impossible to ignore.
Okay, I looked more into Michael Jackson, thank you. What I now discovered which changed my view was it seems he was suspected to have gay relationships when younger, and my hypothesis is later on he believed he could indulge himself with males his mental age, so he was attracted to young boys. Had he been straight, he would have been attracted to young girls. The testimonies about him being gay in the past could just be rumors though. But I now just have a different feeling about it.
I am less agnostic now. I am not on his attraction to children, and I know it does not matter in the end, but the extent of how far he went whether it was sexual assault (like showering with them naked or fondling in bed) or full on direct rape, I still feel a bit agnostic.
-Ga
Ga --
I never got the impression it was full on pre with Jackson, more that he seduced them with his wealth and his multitudinous toys and his "joy juice" (soft drinks mixed with alcohol). But there's no question he was a child molester.
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