-- and of Melba Ketchum, the sasquatch hoaxer:
All three women have crosses displayed on their chests. Papini's cross is more discreet, her cleavage less so.
I'm not saying Papini is a sociopath like the other two; but neither is an angelic face a guarantee of innocence. Of course, if her case turns out to have been a genuine abduction, then she's obviously an innocent victim.
But in the meantime, there are a lot of unresolved questions.
Why would two Hispanic women kidnap her and keep her captive for three weeks? It doesn't sound as if they sexually abused her. (If they did, it would be the first case I've ever heard of where a couple of rampaging lesbians went around kidnapping women to molest.)
They didn't make any ransom demands, either. So what did they want with her?
Papini evidently has said that she didn't get a good look at them because they kept their faces obscured or kept her face covered. But she has also described them as an older Hispanic female with straight hair and heavy eyebrows, and a younger Hispanic female with long curly hair and pierced ears. (So which was it?)
If the Hispanic females allowed her to see their faces well enough to describe them, why did they allow her to survive? Papini was reportedly left by the side of the road "for dead." But according to Papini, the two Hispanic females had a handgun, and if they wanted to leave her for dead, why not make sure?
Also, why leave her right by the side of Highway 5, a major interstate, in broad daylight? If you have someone you expect to be a corpse, you dump the body off in the middle of the woods -- preferably, buried -- in the middle of the night.
It was said that they had chopped Papini's hair off. But the woman driver who spotted Papini by the side of the road and called police said that the woman she saw had long blonde hair. So which is it? Or was it that only part of her head had been shorn?
Panini was also said to have been left with her hands chained to her waist. But the driver who spotted her said that she was waving something that looked like a shirt. How do you wave a piece of cloth if your hands are chained to your waist?
Papini was described by her family as a "super mom," and the media has since used that term to refer to her. But it has also been reported that both of her children had been in full time child care. Given that Papini did not work, how was she "super?" Because she was pretty and because she jogged?
These are not all inconsistencies that came directly from Sherri Papini; but they do need answers.
Initially, her husband Keith was a suspect, but he evidently passed a lie detector test. And he wouldn't necessarily have been in on a hoax. (And it is possible to fool a lie detector test if you know what you're doing.)
The police have said that this abduction appears to have been real. They seem to be basing this on the fact that Papini was covered in bruises, weighed only 87 pounds, and had been branded. These are certainly strong indications that Papini was not making up her story. But it's not impossible that someone determined enough to stage her own kidnapping would have these things done in order to convince people it was real.
(If it was faked, then Papini is suffering from "Munchausen's Syndrome," that peculiar form of sociopathy in which people fake illnesses or great hardships in order to win others' sympathy.)
It is true that she lived in the so-called Emerald Triangle, which consists of Mendocino, Humboldt, and Trinity Counties, and is the largest marijuana-producing area in the US. Evidently some of the Mexican cartels have set up camp in the thick forests in the mountains there. And the Triangle is also supposed to be an area active in sex trafficking.
One of the initial theories was that the two Hispanic women worked for a cartel.
Anyway, it's yet unclear what transpired. But before any conclusions are reached, some of the inconsistencies will have to be accounted for.
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John - I hadn't seen this story, but after having looked at some of the links you posted, and her face - I think there's something not right about this "story". I don't know if it was amplified or confirmed by the photo of her with her oh-so-subtle cross. I understand people show personal commitment to their faith in different ways - but this whole story sounds like a script for a movie.
Shaun --
It left me with the same feeling. But.....I'm not completely convinced either way, yet.
John,
How weird, I was going to OT and mention this. I get a creepy "Gone Girl" feeling from Papini.
Something happened to her, but I don't believe her story about two Hispanic women capturing her.
Puzzled
(I will neither confirm nor deny, LOL)
Puzzled --
Yeah, something is going on there. It'll be interesting to see what the real story was when it finally comes out. I'm not ruling out the possibility that she's telling the truth, but right now I'd put the odds of that at less than 50%.
That's confirmation. (Did you really think I wasn't going to hear your "voice" after a while?)
John,
Read this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarkMyWords/comments/5f8kpb/mmw_sherri_papini_is_lying_about_her_abduction/
I think she's lying.
Puzzled (hangs head, should I be ashamed? Does this make me a sociopath?)
John,
She apparently didn't spend a day in the hospital.
No one has seen her battered, branded body.
Who in hell refers to their wife's hair as "signature, blonde hair"? Who talks like this? If you had a wife who wore her hair in a bun, would you refer to it as her "trademark, iconic bun"?
They are lying.
Puzzled (moping in shame for trying to pull a fast one on you)
Puzzled --
I read somewhere that that may have been someone else posting under her name; who knows. Even if she did write it, that wouldn't necessarily prove that she was hoaxing this time around. As far as the lying about another abduction, I heard that story was not true. But again, who knows, maybe it is. If that story is true, then she's definitely hoaxing this one; but that story may not be true. I just don't know. This case has gotten so much publicity, though, that there will undoubtedly be a thorough investigation, and the truth should come out eventually.
(Sherri Graeff may not have actually been Sherri Graeff. People have been known to post under different names, believe it or not.)
I realize a virtual conversation is not the same as a real one; nonetheless, coming back under different pseudonyms -- not that anyone here except me uses their real name anyway -- is a little strange. So, yes, you should be slightly ashamed; but no, it doesn't make you a sociopath.
Puzzled --
Not a day in the hospital? How could that be if the police themselves said she was branded? Where did you hear that?
Dunno about the husband's way of speaking, it does sound weird, but all sorts of people speak in all sorts of different manners.
If she didn't spend a day in the hospital, then they are lying.
Quit faking; I don't think you're moping in shame. (And faking doing so is worse than not being embarrassed.)
One thing you have in common with both Coco and Lady Bug is that they both would have been quite interested in this story too. More than anything else, it was the similar interests that gave you away.
Having read different things online about Sherri Papini, I suspect that her abduction was a hoax.
- Susan
Fox News didn't make clear who this pro-bono private investigator Bill Garcia is. He says he works on sex-trafficking cases on the Interstate Route 5 corridor "that runs from Portland to Los Angeles."
FOX NEWS HOST: Tell me what goes on in that area, and tell me why you think it is logical she would be abducted.
PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: The Interstate 5 corridor, especially along that area, is a high sex-trafficking corridor. A lot of young ladies, and some boys also, go missing from that area. And I believe it can be attributed to the sex-trafficking trade. I have worked that area for quite some time and we know there is a large influx of Mexican cartel and sex trade FOX NEWS HOST BEGINS TALKING OVER THE GUEST, STOPS HIM FROM TALKING ABOUT MEXICAN SEX TRAFFICKERS.
"Sherri Papini private investigator speaks out on case"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKEV4Bpc-Y
Mark --
Just watched it. I didn't get the impression the Fox host was trying to drown out Garcia because of what he was saying about the Mexican cartels, though she did interrupt him at that point.
Today it was reported that Papini and her husband and two children have left the area (leaving their two dogs behind). Why would she not stay and cooperate with the police in trying to catch her abductors?
One reason Sherri and her husband might have left the area would be if the criminals told her they'd kill or kidnap her children if she cooperates with the police. But leaving your pet dogs behind isn't something normal people would do.
Husband Keith works as a Best Buy home-theater installer. Sherri looks like she could have easily landed a very rich husband, assuming there isn't something wrong with her that isn't obvious.
Last year, the Daily Mail (UK) ran a story that Mexican cartel sex traffickers normally brand their victims with an identifying mark or tattoo, just as slave owners branded their slaves in the antebellum South.
Mark --
That's certainly possible (that she was threatened).
Turns out Sherri WAS married once before, I have no idea to whom or why it ended.
Yes, I've heard about those brands. But Puzzled said (above) that Papini didn't spend a single day in a hospital; you'd think that after an ordeal like that, she'd need treatment.
I only know about this from your blog, John, but here's my take: a lack of overnight stay isn't surprising; it's expensive, and if you were kidnapped, you might prefer to be at home. Hospitals suck in the sense of the beds not being comfortable, lots of light, there's beeping everywhere, you often get a "shared room" even if you've been through severe trauma--and, getting beaten up and branded doesn't necessitate an overnight stay. Outpatient IV, nutrition and hydration advice, maybe a CT scan if she says her head hurts, then set an appointment for dermatologist to deal with the brand (or just refer out to a tattoo removal shop!), and you go home and watch old movies and rest better than at the hospital.
These "attractive white woman" kidnap stories turn out to be fake nearly as often as the "swastika painted randomly on synagogue" stories.
In the "not fake" corner come the considerations that violent mestiza women can and will be a part of whatever crazy shit their owners/husbands tell them to. It doesn't mean they're lesbian, it just means someone was drugged and tied up and then the women were told "make sure she don't die" or something like that. If Sherri were actually kidnapped, and saw the Hispanic women, she could've assumed they were ringleaders or lesbians, when really they were just the cheap help making sure she didn't escape.
If Sherri's one of those American middle-class moms who gets "stressed" by staying at home while hubby works, it's entirely plausible that she's an innocent victim but was also too daft to accurately recall what happened and what it looked/sounded like. More than half her memory would be comprised of old Sopranos and Breaking Bad episodes, and she wouldn't be able to compile a coherent description of the past three weeks even if she hadn't been kidnapped.
seems like a hoax to me...hard to believe two hispanic females would abduct her and keep her captive for 21 days and then release her on Thanksgiving day.
My namesake - LOL.
Really seems like a narcissist, who could be a closet sociopath. The sad part of these hoaxers - genuine victims are disbelieved.
Sherie
High Arka --
I agree completely about how unpleasant hospital stays are; I've often thought it must be impossible to rest up and get better in that situation.
If the odds of her story being true are the same as the "swastika painted randomly on synagogue" stories being true, then there's only about a 15-20% chance of it being so.
Yes, true, the reigning theory of those who believe her is that the two Hispanic women were just operatives for a cartel.
I think the chances of her being that crazy are a lot less than the chances of her just being a lying sociopath. (And I acknowledge there is still some possibility of her actually having been kidnapped.)
Jova --
It's smelling more that way, though it's not certain yet.
Sherie --
There do seem to be a lot of different spellings of your name.
People do seem to be getting more skeptical about occurrences like this these days, especially with the hate hoaxes from the Left, as High Arka alluded to above. I suppose if this does turn out to be a hoax, then it could be termed a hate hoax from the Right, although I don't think the motivation in this case would have been primarily political.
John,
Just want to say that I enjoy your blog, and your ability to cut malefactors down to size (such as your description of Obama). Nuff said, OK?
I've been thinking about Sherry. These are just gut feelings. No proof.
1. The bit about the hospital was from the Reddit conversation. There is no independent verification of that charge, but the Reddit had a lot of things from people who are in that area. In and of itself, it proves nothing.
2. In the Reddit conversation & other places it appears that that area has become a heavy dope trafficking area. I don't want to discuss the morality of marijuana (IMO, smoking a joint is no big deal) but let's be honest: where you have drug trafficking you have nasty characters, and loads of other types of crime.
3. There sure is a seamy underside of sex traffickers in this country. It's such an unpleasant thought most of us repress it, but it's true. Nobody wants to be called a prude, or accused of being the old maid who looks for the rapist under the bed just in case (remember that?), but we do have a problem w/sex trafficking. Sherri is just the kind of juvenile looking blonde who would be snatched.
4. Christine Everson. Completely credible & honest.
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/why-california-mom-sherri-papinis-kidnapping-is-probably-not-a-hoax/
So, a possible conclusion. Sherri Papini is the girl who cried wolf. In high school and after, she got a reputation as a borderline pain in the ass. She was also extremely unpopular with Latinos, because of her "signature blonde hair" and nasty attitude. Whatever. People know who is who in this area. They knew her habits and when she was out jogging & someone decided to teach the bitch a lesson.
Also: she might have been involved in the dope culture, and owed someone money. They weren't going to kill the white bitch, but they were going to scare her and see above.
So I guess what I'm saying is, she really was kidnapped. But it wasn't random. And hubby is hiding something. It's the Christine Everson witness that makes me think the kidnapping is real, and it's her and her husband's behavior that makes me think there's something more to it than randomness.
Puzzled
Puzzled --
Thank you.
The theory you present is quite plausible, and makes more sense in a way then either of the other possibilities, that it was either a regular sex trafficking-driven kidnapping or a complete hoax. She does seems to be hiding something, especially after the news yesterday that she an her family had left the area (rather than further help law enforcement track down her kidnappers). But at the same time, if she was branded, that seems like an awfully extreme length to go in the furtherance of a hoax.
I know about northern California. The Pacific Northwest is just about the most beautiful part of the continuous 48 states, but the culture in the Emerald Triangle is not far from an updated "Deliverance." The Mexican cartels have set up marijuana-growing operations in the mountains, meth has gotten a strong foothold in the foothills, and the remoteness of much of the area means that law enforcement is stretched thin.
Was Sherri involved in all this? Quite possibly. She lived in the area, and Mountain Gate in particular, where she was theoretically snatched, is supposed to be a hotbed of illicit activity. You don't associate cute little blonds who jog and are fanatical about staying in shape with that kind of stuff, but who knows. Her husband worked at Best Buy and theoretically supported the family off that. But Sherri could quite well have wanted to supplement that income with a little off the books stuff. So, yeah, everything you say makes sense.
What you say about N. California makes me sad. Really - it's hard to convey emotion on the Internet. It seems as though the whites in the area are destroying themselves, and the Mexicans are facilitating that with their own special flair. It's sad.
My upshot is something bad happened to her, it's not a straight out hoax, but that they are involved and they are hiding something.
They are two idiots, in over their heads.
The story about the two Hispanic women is, I think, a complete lie. When that is revealed to be a hoax, Sherri should be charged with some kind of intent to deceive. Whatever that is in legalese.
Oh, I forgot to write this. Everson is a credible witness, but there is no description of the two men she saw emerging from the truck. Why? I think someone knows something and ain't telling.
Puzzled
John said: Her husband worked at Best Buy and theoretically supported the family off that.
This is what seems odd to me - How does a Best Buy equipment installer support two kids in day care and a stay at home Mom. One pictured I viewed of the family looked to have everyone in matching outfits. The life style presented does not match the income of a Best Buy equipment installer.
Puzzled --
It is sad about northern California. I've heard that whites all over the country are taking more drugs, especially opiates, and that accounts for the higher recent white death rates. And it's probably more so in northern California.
I wondered if she claimed two Hispanic women when it was in fact two Hispanic men, just so she wouldn't have to admit that she had been raped during those three weeks. My guess is that if she was taken by two low-level cartel operatives, they took advantage of her while they had her as a hostage.
Graeff is Sherri's maiden name. Her parents are Loretta and Rich Graeff. A Google search comes up with "ex-husband" on some links about the case, but the articles corresponding to those links do not mention an ex-husband. I don't think she has been previously married.
I give a one percent chance that the truth closely corresponds to the basic narrative so far outlined in the media, and a 15 percent chance she was actually abducted by strangers. However, as long as they keep publishing new glamor photos of Sherri, I'll continue to eagerly follow the story.
"I wondered if she claimed two Hispanic women when it was in fact two Hispanic men,"
I thought the same thing.
But it could have been two low-life white meth/dope dealers. There's no shortage of them around. In certain parts of the country I'm always surprised to see how many white guys are....scary looking dudes.
Puzzled
Mark --
Ha, I appreciate an honest man.
I think you're right, when the full story comes out, no one is going to look good. Not the Papinis. Not the people who either colluded with her or actually kidnapped her. And not the police who initially bought her story.
Puzzled --
Actually, there's no one scarier-looking than a scary-looking white guy. Somehow whites have the capacity to look evil in a way the other races just don't. I'm often struck by the fact that white criminals, especially high testosterone males past a certain age, will look evil, whereas blacks who have committed violent crimes will have surprisingly placid features.
"And not the police who initially bought her story."
I haven't read the actual police report, have you? Here is a story that refers to it, and it sounds much less dramatic than the news reports indicate.
http://archive.redding.com/news/local/Sheriff-sheds-more-light-on-Sherri-Papini-case-403474556.html
"When asked to elaborate on scanner reports that Papini, 34, was found "chained to something," Bosenko noted that his agency has not phrased it that way.
"We weren't specific on how she was restrained," he said. "After being released, dropped off, however you want to refer to it, she walked to a nearby church, and then nobody was there, and then walked to I-5 near Road 17, where she flagged down a motorist."
While the same dispatch reports indicated she was "heavily battered," Bosenko also would not specify what kind of injuries Papini had. But he did confirm the type of injuries that get someone "treated and released," as Papini was.
"When you say, 'treated and released' ... no different than if you went up to the ER for a sprained ankle, they treated you and released you. Now, if you had a compound fracture due to that bone being broken, then you'd probably be admitted, have to stay for a few days," Bosenko explained. "
Hm. It looks like there's a whole lotta exaggeration going on.
Puzzled
Puzzled --
It sounds as if the Sheriff is growing a little leery himself. What I was basing my statement on was an early headline saying that the Sheriff had said that it did look as if an abduction had taken place. I think I linked that in the previous post.
Yes, all this clarifying (and possibly backtracking) does sound as if suspicions are growing.
Since we're all being cute, there's something to be said about a connection between home/car theater installations and various contraband, including drugs. Those kinds of jobs involve lots of under-the-table cash transactions, reporting merchandise lost and destroyed and then delivering it to the customer for side payments, going out to clients' houses repeatedly and receiving payment for supposedly retuning systems, and, most importantly, unpacking lots of shipping crates fresh from China late at night out back of the retail center. I can see all sorts of cool sordid movie plots there with house calls, sex with powerful Russian traffickers, Sony equipment stuffed with opium, slave Natasha loaded onto eastbound 18-wheelers, love and betrayal, etc. In fact, now I want to see that movie. And no one's made it. Excuse me while I go cry for a while.
High Arka --
Cute?? I sorta figured we were all just playing armchair detective. I hadn't even thought of that home installation/crime angle, but I'm sure you're right. You seem to know an awful lot about that type of crime. Hmm.....
Haven't heard anything new about Sherri for a couple days, but I did learn a new word usage.
It's the word "though" at the end of a sentence. On twitter, "tho."
You say a sentence, add a comma, and end it with the word "though." That's to prove that the sentence is questionable.
Some commenter wrote about Sherri, "those gums, though." Meaning that she's pretty but the gummy smile detracts.
I kind of agreed, and was thinking the same thing.
She is pretty, though. (Used in the traditional sense.)
I think the longer time passes and we don't find those two Hispanic women, the more people will think this is a hoax.
Puzzled
Puzzled --
Hmm....I've long since given up on trying to keep up with the newest lingo. Ever since "phat" meant "cool," it's all a blur to me.
I don't think Sherri's gums detract, they just make her look young. As we get older our gums recede, hence the phrase "long in the tooth." She's not my type, too much like a Barbi doll, I've always preferred slender brunettes. All the stuff I said in the previous post was mostly for humorous effect. That said, though, she's undeniably attractive.
And yeah, the two days of radio silence does make one wonder. It's starting to smell sorta bad, not that it would be all that hard for a cartel to hide two Hispanic women.
I no longer keep up with the lingo either. But I kept coming across that one. It's relatively easy to understand and it makes a sort of weird sense. It's also an interesting usage.
The one I can't get a hold of is using the word "because" in this way: "We are paying so much attention to Sherri because cute," meaning, "We are paying so much attention to Sherri because she is cute." In fact, I may not have done it properly. There's a specific way to do that, and I may be too old to do it right.
Oh God, I just saw something awful on TV as I was typing.
There's a British TV show that I was looking forward to seeing, The Hollow Crown. But I won't see it now. They cast a black actress to play a white historical character. It's insane.
http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/667894/Sophie-Okonedo-Undercover-The-Hollow-Crown-Benedict-Cumberbatch-Dominic-Cooke
It's bad enough to cast Idris Elba as a Norse god, but that's a mythical character. (To me, anyway, hope I haven't offended any believers.) But there really was a Queen Margaret and she wasn't half Nigerian. She was a Frenchwoman, Margaret of Anjou.
I am tired of this PC crap. It disgusts me.
Puzzled
Puzzled --
I've heard Steve Sailer use "because" that way, but he does it sarcastically, and it works for me.
I agree, this miscasting for the sake of being PC is disgusting. Imagine how blacks would react if Hollywood decided to cast Chris Hemsworth to play Shaka Zulu. The howls of outrage would be deafening. But, the shoe is on the other foot, so nobody says anything.
I like Elba as an actor, but I don't even think they should consider him to play James Bond, who's a fictional character, since Bond was written to represent the best of Anglo-Saxon manhood. (Imagine the outrage if Tom Cruise were cast in a remake of Shaft.)
I read on Reddit that Sherri had a boob job shortly before being abducted (making it unlikely that she would be out running) and that she had a part-time job cutting weed in some drug outfit. Also, some locals indicated that she could be an attention seeker.
-birdie
Look at these ridiculous pictures:
https://www.google.com/search?q=sophie+okonedo+as+margaret&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwio4qXMvOfQAhUM0mMKHa4zDz8QsAQIJg&biw=797&bih=384
Any normal person will say, "Why is that black woman wearing medieval babe clothing?" and laugh. She is completely unconvincing. You have to be carefully trained to accept this as "normal" when it is anything but.
Agree w/you about Bond, even though he's fictional.
Puzzled
Birdie --
That's a great point about the boob job. And the part time job is certainly a strong indication that Puzzled's theory is true, that her "abduction" had something to do with her involvement in the drug trade.
Puzzled --
That whole thing started with that Robin Hood movie from 1991 when Morgan Freeman played Robin Hood's most trusted advisor.
Maybe one day you'll do a whole post about this.
I just saw another example, and got very triggered, LOL.
http://greatcometbroadway.com/
Check out the black chick playing a Russian girl.
Well not LOL. I got very triggered. Because I do see it as an attempt on the parts of the 'elites' to exterminate the white race. There, I said it. Hollywood has already destroyed the idea of the white man as the default lead, and now Broadway is doing the same with the musical theater actress. Google Audra McDonald, who has won more Tonys than anyone, playing white women.
When you replace the white woman, you exterminate the white race. Maybe I'm going too far, it's just a Broadway musical.
Has there ever been a more miserably masochistic society than ours? And it won't end with Trump.
Puzzled
Puzzled --
I already wrote a post about the ridiculousness of cross-racial casting:
http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2015/09/since-theyre-considering-idris.html
The "elites" have declared war against Europeans, no question about that. But miscasting Russians is such a small, and unimportant (while symbolic) part of the picture that I can't get all that exercised about it. Think of what's happening in Europe, with George Soros and his ilk trying to flood the continent with savage Muslims and refugees from Africa. Think of what Obama has done in the US, stealthily settling Somalis and Syrians and other Muslims in all sorts of small towns all over the countryside. Think of how he's refused to enforce our borders. That's real damage. Casting a black woman as a Russian woman is nothing, by comparison.
John,
We'll have to agree to disagree. It's not small potatoes. It's the heart of the culture.
Imagine casting Oklahoma with blacks, when it first opened on Broadway, in 1943. (I had to look that up.)
A culture that does this is dead.
Your post was good. Leslie Jones as Bond. Why not? She has an Anglo-Saxon name.
Puzzled.
Puzzled --
I'd say, compared to immigration it is. I find it sort of sick too, and all the cultural Marxism is pathetic. I suppose the cultural Marxism is the groundwork that's laid to open up a society to the sort of masochism that's afflicting the West now, so, yeah, that's true. And you have to have that sort of brainwashed mindset to swallow the open borders rhetoric, which then makes open borders possible. Okay, fair enough.
Thanks re: the post.
John,
I won't say which is more important. It all goes together. When you force a people to accept what they know in their hearts isn't true, day after day after day, what does that do to them?
"Boris Pasternak
The great majority of us are required to live a life of constant, systematic duplicity. Your health is bound to be affected if, day after day, you say the opposite of what you feel, if you grovel before what you dislike and rejoice at what brings you nothing but misfortune. Our nervous system isn't just a fiction, it's part of our physical body, and our soul exists in space and is inside us, like teeth in our mouth. It can't be forever violated with impunity."
Worse than that, this is called "color-blind casting." Actually, it's anything but.
Color blind casting would have white actors in Porgy and Bess. We'll never see that - nor should we.
To see black actors in white roles is forcing whites to accept, pay for and enjoy their racial erasure.
Puzzled
Puzzled --
Great quote from Pasternak.
Everything you say is true. "Color-blind casting" only goes in one direction.
I think she was having an affair.. ran away with the giy and decided to just go back home
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